# Are muslims ever NOT "outraged" by something?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 16, 2006, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961 "2006-09-16T15:30:46Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)
#### Post date: [September 19, 2006, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/101 "2006-09-19T15:30:12Z")
I know its not a greaat analogy but if I quoted the Ku Klux Klan’s comments about the less than human nature of the negro to make an otherwise unrelated comment about race relations or if I quoted Hitler’s comments about the scourge of European Jewry and how all the troubles and misery of Post WWI Germany are the result of the greed and avarice of the manipulative Jews to make an otherwise unrelated comment about the middle east. People might get really pissed off.
The POPE never takes off the pope hat, you can’t say “well I was speaking as an academic, not as the pope of tyhe largest organized religion in the world”
The quoted language was offensive and a pope should know better than to say something like that.
He apologized but you just can’t unring that bell just by saying “I’m very sorry that people were offended by what I said” At the very least, you have to say you are actually sorry for having said what you said; it would help if make some ststements saying that you really don’t think that Mohammed advocated peaceful conversions when he was weak and then advocated violent conversions when he was strong enough to coerce people to imply that Mohhamed was an opportunistic two faced hypocritical proslytizer; you might want to say that you don’t agree with the person you quoted (how often do you quote people you disagree with?) and go into specifics about why you don’t think that Islam is an inherently violent religion; you should be contrite about how insensitive and offensive you were and allay the concern that you have a narrow uninclusive world view.
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### Author:  [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)
#### Post date: [September 19, 2006, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/102 "2006-09-19T18:06:20Z")
**Dob** FFS don’t even think about burning an effigy of mohammed.
Holy batshit man, they saw their arses over some cartoons, can you imagine how ‘outraged’ they’d be if you even burned a drawing of m/med much less an effigy.
Yep, religion is a boil on the arse of humanity
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### Author:  [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)
#### Post date: [September 19, 2006, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/103 "2006-09-19T18:16:04Z")
Keep it up guys, you are only one church firebombing or nun-shooting from convincing me that Islam is the religion of peace!
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### Author:  [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)
#### Post date: [September 19, 2006, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/104 "2006-09-19T18:26:31Z")
> [@Dob](#):
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> The Pope caved, he should never have apologized. why give the radicals any thought they actually have the power to make someone do something?
I’m not sure if it’s the right move either, but they aren’t satisfied with his apology anyway.
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### Author:  [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)
#### Post date: [September 19, 2006, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/105 "2006-09-19T18:43:26Z")
> [@Marley23](#):
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> I’m not sure if it’s the right move either, but they aren’t satisfied with his apology anyway.
[Indeed](http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2000964,00.html).
[Some really aren’t satisfied at all](http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23367232-details/The+Pope+must+die%2C+says+Muslim/article.do).
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### Author:  [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2006, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/106 "2006-09-20T02:31:58Z")
> [@Stinkpalm](#):
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> (I feel that way about nearly all religions FWIW, just most strongly about Islam because it affects me directly).
I for one think its time we stopped the church of Islam from running Utah as their own semi-autonomous nation of muslims.
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### Author:  [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2006, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/107 "2006-09-20T03:17:13Z")
> [@elmwood](#):
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> [Indeed](http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2000964,00.html).
So much for “Is the Pope Catholic?”
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### Author:  [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2006, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/108 "2006-09-20T08:30:26Z")
> [@Daithi Lacha](#):
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> Hey, one of my Art History professors invited our class to come out and picket the film with her and her church group. The annoying part was that she didn’t invite us to view the film and see for ourselves just how deeply offensive it was; she just wanted warm bodies marching outside of the local cinema for maximum effect.
> Even the class lick-arses didn’t go in the hopes of getting extra credit.
Much as I despise fundies, picketing a movie theater is a far bit away from burning things down. My town has lots of Muslims. When the cartoons came out, several published guest columns in the local paper about why they were offensive. They were outraged, but they expressed their outrage in a legitimate and peaceful way.
The real question is, how come the governments of some Islamic countries seem to tacitly approve this kind of shit, and who is organizing it?
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### Author:  [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2006, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/109 "2006-09-20T12:25:10Z")
> [@Voyager](#):
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> Much as I despise fundies, picketing a movie theater is a far bit away from burning things down.
Indeed; it was the request to blindly follow her & her ideological peers that killed me. Never mind if it’s right or wrong – just do it! And do it for Jesus’ sake! If she had felt _more_ strongly about it, would she have been requesting that my class join her in burning down the theater regardless of our personal beliefs? Simply because it was the “right” thing to do? That sort of blind devotion is dangerous to begin with, and when you have a charismatic leader with a taste for destruction in front of an already-willing crowd, things can get real ugly, real quick.
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### Author:  [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2006, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/110 "2006-09-20T12:46:06Z")
> [@Voyager](#):
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> how come the governments of some Islamic countries seem to tacitly approve this kind of shit
same reason governments everywhere love it when the population get their panties in a bunch about something happening in foreign parts. Public anger and frustration is directed elsewhere, and they can play the ‘we may be bad people but at least we’re your kind of people’ card.
> [@Voyager](#):
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> who is organizing it?
the same people who organise public insanity in your neck of the woods - attention whores, interest groups, politician types who want to court popularity, and batshit crazy true believers.
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### Author:  [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2006, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/111 "2006-09-20T15:03:19Z")
Why don’t people see the difference between modern Christians and these muslims?
The fact is that most Christians live pretty good lives, with jobs, housing, food on the table.
They don’t have many reasons to march down the street burning down mosques do they?
Compare that to the living conditions of these people and maybe you will start to see the difference.
Most extremist muslims live in countries that are seen as almost third world countries (and they are definitely seen as third rate citizens by the rest of the world), they hardly have any freedom or access to impartial press.
Of course the religion is being abused by hate mongers, but the point is that there is enough frustration among these people so they are swept up in this movement.
Comparing US Christians with for example Iraq muslims is completely ridiculous.
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### Author:  [@Puzzler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Puzzler)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2006, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/112 "2006-09-20T15:29:35Z")
> [@Scoundrel Swanswater](#):
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> Most extremist muslims live in countries that are seen as almost third world countries
Third world countries, such as [France](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_civil_unrest_in_France) and [Denmark](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513137/posts) ?
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### Author:  [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2006, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/113 "2006-09-20T15:44:06Z")
> [@Puzzler](#):
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> Third world countries, such as [France](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_civil_unrest_in_France) and [Denmark](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513137/posts) ?
If you check the dictionary, you’ll find that there are different definitions for “most” and “all.”
Glad to help.
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### Author:  [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2006, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/114 "2006-09-20T15:48:48Z")
> [@Puzzler](#):
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> Third world countries, such as [France](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_civil_unrest_in_France) and [Denmark](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513137/posts) ?
Apart from missing the ‘most’ qualifiers in the post you are quoting, from your first cite
> [@wikipeida](#):
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> according to Pascal Mailhos, head of the Renseignements Généraux (French intelligence agency) the influence of radical islamism in the 2005 civil unrest in France was nil
> [@wikipedia](#):
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> The controversial Union of Islamic Organisations of France (UOIF) issued a fatwa against the riots, without much result. Dalil Boubakeur, mufti of Paris’ Great Mosque and leader of the French Council of Musulman Faith (CFCM), as well as Marseilles’s mufti, criticized the UOIF for this irrelevant fatwa and opposed Nicolas Sarkozy’s controversial use of Islamic organizations, declaring that their role was not to intercede for the youth.
which squares with most other commentary I have read.
[/nitpick]
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### Author:  [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2006, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/115 "2006-09-20T15:57:08Z")
> [@Puzzler](#):
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> Third world countries, such as [France](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_civil_unrest_in_France) and [Denmark](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513137/posts) ?
I don’t know about Denmark but I do know of the ghettos in France.
These people don’t get a decent education, and have almost 0% chance of getting gainful employment.
There is a reason they are outraged, and it is not just caused by religion.
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2006, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/116 "2006-09-20T21:57:08Z")
> [@col\_10022](#):
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> He apologized but you just can’t unring that bell just by saying “I’m very sorry that people were offended by what I said” At the very least, you have to say you are actually sorry for having said what you said; it would help if make some ststements saying that you really don’t think that Mohammed advocated peaceful conversions when he was weak and then advocated violent conversions when he was strong enough to coerce people to imply that Mohhamed was an opportunistic two faced hypocritical proslytizer; you might want to say that you don’t agree with the person you quoted (how often do you quote people you disagree with?) and go into specifics about why you don’t think that Islam is an inherently violent religion; you should be contrite about how insensitive and offensive you were and allay the concern that you have a narrow uninclusive world view.
Nice use of satire there, **col**.
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### Author:  [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2006, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/117 "2006-09-21T08:56:35Z")
> [@slaphead](#):
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> same reason governments everywhere love it when the population get their panties in a bunch about something happening in foreign parts. Public anger and frustration is directed elsewhere, and they can play the ‘we may be bad people but at least we’re your kind of people’ card.
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> the same people who organise public insanity in your neck of the woods - attention whores, interest groups, politician types who want to court popularity, and batshit crazy true believers.
Sorry, no one is organizing this sort of insanity in my neck of the woods. Like I said, the reaction to the cartoons was a strong (and well written) letter to the paper. No b ody rioted, nobody defaced the shul, and no one feared walking in the heavily Muslim district not far from where I live. So let’s not claim that all places and people are equally bad. Because that’s bullshit.
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### Author:  [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2006, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/118 "2006-09-21T12:35:05Z")
> [@Voyager](#):
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> Sorry, no one is organizing this sort of insanity in my neck of the woods.
Quelle surprise - it is, after all, very much out of the ordinary in the western world, and for all I know, in the third world too. But if you are claiming that in your neck of the woods there are never any groups of idiots working themseles up into a hysterical frenzy over some issue, then I want to know where you live, so I can move there.
No extremist politicians, no single-issue pressure groups, no people chaining themselves to railings or burning down property for some ill-defined cause they barely understand? Sounds like utopia.
Just off the top of my head, [here](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm) is a great example of people being dumb fucks in a totally non-Islamic way as a result of the media fanning up a frenzy. If people in the UK can’t tell the difference between a paediatrician and a paedophile, it doesn’t surprise me that others are capable of working themselves into a frenzy over cartoons they’ve never seen or speeches in a language they don’t understand.
People are people, meaning you can expect earwax-melting stupidity and easily provoked knee-jerk reactions all over the world.
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### Author:  [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2006, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/119 "2006-09-21T12:37:44Z")
_Scoundrel Swanswater:_
> [@](#):
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> Most extremist muslims live in countries that are seen as almost third world countries
_Puzzler:_
> [@](#):
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> Third world countries, such as France and Denmark?
It can be even worse to be poor and disenfranchised in a first-world country.
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### Author:  [@Puzzler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Puzzler)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2006, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/120 "2006-09-21T13:24:02Z")
> [@Baldwin](#):
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> It can be even worse to be poor and disenfranchised in a first-world country.
Couldn’t agree more. I think that’s the main point\*, not the country of origin.
- Maybe second to education.
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