# Are police stings offering sex with 15 year old HS girls a good use of law enforcement budgets? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 5, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457 "2013-10-05T20:18:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/21 "2013-10-06T12:08:27Z")
> [@aNewLeaf](#): > > Go ask the adult men you know if they would knowingly have sex with an underage hooker. I am not going to kid myself that the adult men I know are a perfect sample of the population as a whole. Look,we know X men will risk truly horrific legal, social, and professional consequences to have sex with teenagers. Do you really think that’s the entire set of men who would be willing–eager, even–to have sex with teenagers? It seems more likely to me that they are only the extreme edge of that population, and that there likely exists a significantly larger number of men that are deterred by the risk of those consequences. If all it takes to prevent those men from joining in–and prevent that many more cases of sexual victimization–is a few man-hours a week posting ads you’d only find if you were looking for them, then yes, I think that’s a fine use of law enforcement budgets. ---
**Author:** ![Ace309](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ace309/32/1050_2.png) [@Ace309](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace309)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/22 "2013-10-06T13:57:26Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > Imho, not just in this case but in any case involving the police, i do not believe they should ever be allowed to break the law in pursuit of offenders. Any case (such as speeding to catch speeders) should go all the way up to at least circuit court, if not Supreme Court. As written, this looks like you think police shouldn’t be allowed to engage in a high speed chase under any circumstances. Is that what you mean? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/23 "2013-10-06T14:46:14Z")
> [@aNewLeaf](#): > > I have no idea what “10 characters” means. It means the board’s software requires posts to be at least 10 chars long. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/24 "2013-10-06T14:53:49Z")
> [@Mrmanface](#): > > I don’t know what Americans have against sex. You can go to Germany and I kid you not you can get your dick sucked by an incredibly hot 19 year old prostitute in a bar full of people if you want, no one gives a shit. The girls all walk around naked. Everyone knows about these clubs and no one cares about them. The owners make millions. The girls all seem happy and make a shit load of money. Seriously, these were happy hookers. > > I spoke to one of them who said the reason she does it, is because in her country she’d make only 250 euro a month, whereas after a few years of whoring and she’ll buy a house outright. Not such a different income to what an unskilled worker in the USA would make, once you convert the dollar and adjust for a higher structural cost of living in the states. > > The USA should just legalize prostitution and make it mainstream and then tax it. You would have women giving out $50 blow jobs in blowjob bars in no time. Then there is no underground industry. No ID. No work. No clean sexual health, no work. > > Then there is zero reason for men to go to illegal prostitutes. Having read your other posts about sex and/or relationships, forgive me if I perhaps take your analysis of anything related to sex or relationships with a grain of salt the size of a boulder. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/25 "2013-10-06T16:59:04Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > Fraud. > > 10 characters. I don’t think you know the legal definition of fraud. I’ll give you a hint fraud does not equal lie. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/26 "2013-10-06T17:07:13Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > Having read your other posts about sex and/or relationships, forgive me if I perhaps take your analysis of anything related to sex or relationships with a grain of salt the size of a boulder. This is actually the least stupid thing **Mrmanface** has yet posted - these clubs are real, legal, and have been discussed at length on these boards through an admitted patron, who named the exact clubs and locations. Thread: > **[Ask the Icebear (aka guy who visits brothels)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=625497)** > > As promised in this thread. I know we already had an ‘Ask the guy who visits prostitutes’ thread before, but I think our experiences differ enough to warrant another one. For one thing, I’ve never broken the law by paying for sex. Eventhough I’m... All that said, everything in your post, **zweisamkeit** is still absolutely true. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/27 "2013-10-06T17:08:54Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > It means the board’s software requires posts to be at least 10 chars long. Actually, only 2 characters are required. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/28 "2013-10-06T18:57:48Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > “Hi, I’m Chris Hansen with 20-20. I want to get a lot more of your opinions on this. No, the girl you thought would be here isn’t in the house… and No, I wouldn’t advise you to try to leave, as there are police just outside…” 😛 I was thinking along these lines too. Anyone remember the episode where the predator brought his 5-year-old son with him? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/29 "2013-10-06T19:10:34Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Actually, only 2 characters are required. Sí ---
**Author:** ![robert\_columbia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@robert\_columbia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robert_columbia)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/30 "2013-10-06T19:55:00Z")
> [@talknstang](#): > > …Essentially they are telling everyone that because they say they are 14, that you have to believe them even if they send you a photo of someone who is clearly not 14. We all know people misrepresent themselves online and you don’t always believe who you might be talking to. Having said that, how is it that cops say you must believe them? They are using adult websites suckering men into their trap. They not only create the opportunity, but the idea as well. Good point. There’s a difference between nailing true perverts and trying to manipulate ordinary people. Have we gotten to the point where a prosecutor can really claim, “The defendant heard it on the Internet, he must have believed it was true”? If the defendant actually believed it was a lonely 20 year old college student who wanted to be 14 again and fancied herself as such, I don’t see a problem with that, at least not one that should trigger legal penalties. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/31 "2013-10-06T22:06:54Z")
@ **runner pat** , **Lute Skywatcher** : I sit corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Mrmanface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mrmanface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrmanface)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/32 "2013-10-06T23:29:07Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > Having read your other posts about sex and/or relationships, forgive me if I perhaps take your analysis of anything related to sex or relationships with a grain of salt the size of a boulder. I think you’re confused. You don’t pay these women for a relationship. Oh no. If you asked them for a relationship they’d politely tell you they’re having sex with you for money and nothing else. This is about sex for money. The best bit of it all would be the reliance on welfare would be reduced as broke ass women could whore. I am sure with the obesity problem, these clubs also provide a balanced diet, allowing whores to lose weight. There is also the added benefit, that in Europe people eat actual real food (i.e not full of preservatives), not the shit we get given here. So this benefit may not translate. But feminists will continue their evil, and will continue to claim that women being able to make their own decisions is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Mrmanface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mrmanface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrmanface)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/33 "2013-10-06T23:48:10Z")
America : the land where you need to work 6 jobs for the right to be on food stamps, but prostitution is illegal. You know in most countries where inequality is such a major part of the policy of the day, prostitution is usually front an center as a way of further degrading the working poor. Of course, after becoming prostitutes they’re usually still poor for all of about 3 hours. I guess that is what you guy REALLY hate about it, giving poor young women a way of making money that you can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/34 "2013-10-06T23:52:49Z")
Are we still talking about alleged 15-year-olds? ---
**Author:** ![Mrmanface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mrmanface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrmanface)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/35 "2013-10-07T00:00:05Z")
I think we’re all smart enough to realize there was no 15 year old and she was probably a 24 year old, but no one would care about that. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/36 "2013-10-07T00:01:41Z")
OK, so going back to the OP: Yes. I think anything that law enforcement can do to nail as many men seeking to use or exploit under-aged girls as possible is the primary way I want them to spend my tax dollars. If it also has the benefit of making other men afraid to use one of the more convenient forums for taking advantage of the drug-addicted or poverty-stricken girls then by all means, go for it! As for MrMan, we were not discussing adults here. You are trying to shoe-horn in an entirely different topic. I’d suggest starting a separate topic regarding the legalization of prostitution if that’s what you want to discuss. For anyone to answer you fully here would derail the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mrmanface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mrmanface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrmanface)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/37 "2013-10-07T00:01:55Z")
“Police have arrested a man for having sex with a 24 year old woman for money - also known as dating” ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/38 "2013-10-07T00:04:22Z")
> [@Mrmanface](#): > > “Police have arrested a man for having sex with a 24 year old woman for money - also known as dating” No. It’s not dating when you pay them. ---
**Author:** ![Mrmanface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mrmanface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrmanface)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/39 "2013-10-07T00:10:40Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > _OK, so going back to the OP: Yes. I think anything that law enforcement can do to nail as many men seeking to use or exploit under-aged girls as possible is the primary way I want them to spend my tax dollars. If it also has the benefit of making other men afraid to use one of the more convenient forums for taking advantage of the drug-addicted or poverty-stricken girls then by all means, go for it!_ > > As for MrMan, we were not discussing adults here. You are trying to shoe-horn in an entirely different topic. I’d suggest starting a separate topic regarding the legalization of prostitution if that’s what you want to discuss. For anyone to answer you fully here would derail the thread. You live in a country where it is perfectly acceptable to send a kid with cancer home to die, where it is perfectly acceptable for a kid with working parents to live in poverty and depend on charity, where it is acceptable for kids to get no education and grow up with literally no chance for a happy life because they were born to the wrong family or with the wrong colour. Yours is a society which simply does not care about other people, let alone children. Why don’t we just call this what it is you don’t care about any imagined 15 year old girl you care about (1) your own sensitivities. (2) religion. The 15 year old girl doesn’t exist it is just an excuse. If you wanted to prevent that sort of thing happening, everyone with half a brain knows you get it at the source. By the time she is a drug addicted hooker, you can’t help her in 1 year before she is able to consent and 3 years before she is able to do it legally (oh not in the USA, then you just persecute her for life). The problem is every single thing which would help a young person in need you Americans are 100% against. So why the big deal with prostitution ? Create religious exclusion zones for this kind of thing which you’ve basically done already but as more of a “no go zone” in major cities. ---
**Author:** ![robert\_columbia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@robert\_columbia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robert_columbia)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457/40 "2013-10-07T00:33:19Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > No. It’s not dating when you pay them. There’s a fine line here, perhaps not that distinct as you would like in an abstract sense, but one that is well defined in legal cases. It’s prostitution if you are paying directly for the sex. If you shower her with sweet words, promises of faithfulness, jewelry, dresses, trips, and she reciprocates by going to bed with you, that’s not prostitution, it’s marriage \<3. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-police-stings-offering-sex-with-15-year-old-hs-girls-a-good-use-of-law-enforcement-budgets/670457.md?page=3)