# Are posters now forbidden to imply rule violations in the Pit? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 4, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504 "2014-09-04T18:05:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/21 "2014-09-04T23:00:21Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > To help me understand, can I say the following to another poster in the Pit? > > “[Poster], you are a useless piece of shit who should have been banned from this site long ago for your constant lies and idiotic arguments.” Could you just point to some constant lies and idiotic arguments that don’t have mod implications instead? I, for one, would be interested to see them. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/22 "2014-09-04T23:00:25Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > I’m not a Pit moderator, for exactly this reason. You should try it, it’s a really easy job. Word on the street is that you don’t have to do any moderating at all. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Archeonomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Archeonomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archeonomist)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/23 "2014-09-04T23:00:59Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > I’m not a Pit moderator, for exactly this reason. Nor do I read the Pit. Um… You do post there. Some pretty inflammatory things. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/24 "2014-09-04T23:49:32Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Look, it’s perfectly simple. Those of you who are playing in the match this afternoon move your clothes down onto the lower peg immediately after lunch, before you write your letter home, if you’re not getting your hair cut, unless you’ve got a younger brother who is going out this weekend as the guest of another boy, in which case, collect his note before lunch, put it in your letter after you’ve had your hair cut, and make sure he moves your clothes down onto the lower peg for you. If you’re not getting your hair cut, you don’t have to move your brother’s clothes down to the lower peg. You simply collect his note before lunch, after you’ve done your scripture prep, when you’ve written your letter home, before rest, move your own clothes onto the lower peg, greet the visitors, and report to Mr. Viney that you’ve had your chit signed. > > Clear? Finally a mod instruction that is clear and concise and makes sense. Thanks **Miller.** ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/25 "2014-09-04T23:53:37Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Okay, real answer: > > Even a relatively neutral citation of the rules, such as **Fenris** offered, was _in the context of that thread_, apt to spark a new debate about whether that rule should have been applied to **Czarcasm** ’s post. Plus, and let’s be totally open and transparent, I have a weird memory quirk with regards to SDMB rules (I wish I could remember birthdays as easily) and I might possibly have a _slight_ tendency to rules-lawyer, cite stuff, etc. I’m just saying it’s possible, is all. So for that thread, while I found that one-shot rule a little frustrating (I had to go a different route than I took), I completely understand Miller’s intent with it. (If it was a general rule for the whole board, I’d have some serious concerns) Um…for form’s sake though, he’s still a jackbooted thug who’s oppressing me terribly though. ‘elp! elp! I’m bein’ repressed! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/26 "2014-09-05T00:30:46Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > Nor do I read the Pit. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/27 "2014-09-05T01:28:52Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Um…for form’s sake though, he’s still a jackbooted thug who’s oppressing me terribly though. ‘elp! elp! I’m bein’ repressed! 😉 Shut up. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/28 "2014-09-05T05:10:52Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > To help me understand, can I say the following to another poster in the Pit? > > “[Poster], you are a useless piece of shit who should have been banned from this site long ago for your constant lies and idiotic arguments.” It depends: were you just making a big stink in ATMB about [Poster] not being banned? Then yeah, that’s going to get you modded, because it’s a pretty transparent attempt to restart an argument about the board’s moderation in the Pit. On the other hand, if you’re just calling out another poster in the course of a regular Pit thread, then I’m not going to mod it. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/29 "2014-09-05T11:02:13Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > I’m not a Pit moderator, for exactly this reason. Nor do I read the Pit. > [@Archeonomist](#): > > Um… You do post there. Some pretty inflammatory things. In the interest of accuracy: in the last three years, I’ve posted nine times. So, yes, I should have said “I do not regularly read the Pit, I only read the Pit on extraordinarily rare occasions, if there’s is absolutely nothing else to do.” My apologies for being imprecise. (And if you think that what _I_ posted was “inflammatory,” then I’d bet that you don’t read the Pit much, either 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/30 "2014-09-05T12:37:41Z")
> [@](#): > > The job description for being a moderator on this site should not include "You ill be kicked around and be a called everything except a child of God every day and you just have to put up with it. " You’ve defined “being a Charter Member” pretty well, especially one of a non-typical political persuasion. Add to that the fact that Charter Members pay for it. And yet I manage to survive somehow. As I mentioned, there would be no expectation that any of the mods (except the Pit mod) would have to respond to, or even to read, the Pittings. IANAMod, but I have come for a bit more than my share of the kind of abuse you describe for other reasons. And it is still only a messageboard. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Archeonomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Archeonomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archeonomist)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/31 "2014-09-05T18:18:41Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > In the interest of accuracy: in the last three years, I’ve posted nine times. So, yes, I should have said “I do not regularly read the Pit, I only read the Pit on extraordinarily rare occasions, if there’s is absolutely nothing else to do.” My apologies for being imprecise. (And if you think that what _I_ posted was “inflammatory,” then I’d bet that you don’t read the Pit much, either 😉 ) Weeeeeell allright then. True enough. But don’t let me catch you again 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/32 "2014-09-06T20:27:15Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > If you believe a moderator has erred, you’re free to say something about it – in a civil fashion – in About This Mesage Board, where questions and complaints about the board and its workings are made. Then why was [my thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=733033)shut down? ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/33 "2014-09-06T21:32:16Z")
Seems to me **Miller** gave pretty clear examples in that post. He wanted the thread to focus on “you’re an asshole because you threadshit and hijack and generally smell bad” rather than make any steps toward “you’re an asshole because the mods let you break rules and get away with it”. Furthermore, in the Pit “you break the rules” = generally acceptable “the mods let you get away with breaking the rules” = not acceptable. The first is about the person’s actions, the second is criticizing the moderators. That’s my take, anyway. I’m confused why you would think there’s more to it than that. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/34 "2014-09-06T23:36:45Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Then why was [my thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=733033)shut down? I’ve sent you a couple PMs. I have not heard back directly from you. And I’ve seen correspondence you had with Dex as well. Do you feel your issue is not being handled? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/35 "2014-09-06T23:51:53Z")
I do not feel I’d get a fair hearing corresponding with you directly. I request the right to state my case on the board, like everyone else. As for Dex, he told me that my request to reopen the thread is being considered. That was two and a half days ago, and I’ve heard nothing from him since. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2014, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/36 "2014-09-07T00:13:08Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > I do not feel I’d get a fair hearing corresponding with you directly. > > I request the right to state my case on the board, like everyone else. > As for Dex, he told me that my request to reopen the thread is being considered. That was two and a half days ago, and I’ve heard nothing from him since. Look, I don’t remember having any interactions with you or have much of an impression of you or what your style of posting is like or your personal or political beliefs so hopefully you feel the same of me. Speaking as an observer and someone who’s sometimes butted heads with mods, making public complaints like this isn’t going to get anyway on your side except the people who are already reflexively anti-moderator for whatever reason. I’d recommend restricting this argument to the PMs. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2014, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/37 "2014-09-07T00:54:23Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Speaking as an observer and someone who’s sometimes butted heads with mods, making public complaints like this isn’t going to get anyway on your side except the people who are already reflexively anti-moderator for whatever reason. I think not. See the [reaction](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17698004#post17698004)to her warning on the original thread, where several people disagreed with her, and are not noticeably anti-mod. > [@](#): > > I’d recommend restricting this argument to the PMs. I want this done out in the open. I want her to see the many voices of reason raised against her. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2014, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/38 "2014-09-07T00:59:24Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > I do not feel I’d get a fair hearing corresponding with you directly. > > I request the right to state my case on the board, like everyone else. > As for Dex, he told me that my request to reopen the thread is being considered. That was two and a half days ago, and I’ve heard nothing from him since. 1. There is no case to state, really. From the registration agreement: > [@](#): > > \*You are free to express your views in a forceful manner provided you remain civil. \*\ > > _If we tell you to refrain from behavior that we regard as uncivil, do so or face revocation of your posting privileges._ You threw personals insults in About This Message Board. Everyone was reminded about the rule in that very thread before you made your posting. You’ve been here since 2003 and know better, or should know better. The warning stands. 1. After discussion we decided not to reopen the thread. I’m sorry Dex didn’t make that clear to you, but I believe he is out of town right now so that may have gotten past him. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2014, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/39 "2014-09-07T01:02:43Z")
There most certainly is a case to state. Why won’t you let me state it? I WAS civil, and I DID NOT throw any insults. State the reasons why the thread was closed, and why it wasn’t reopened. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2014, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504/40 "2014-09-07T01:09:19Z")
I don’t have much to offer to the thread, but thought I’d mention this: In an earlier thread where some of this discussion was taking place, I was doing a search on TubaDiva’s name in the search box to see what the original point of contention was about. As I got to tubadiv. . ., two names popped up. One was our own humble TubaDiva, and the other one was a person who made a rather snide username taking a swipe at TubaDiva. (If you look it up, and look at the name closely, you’ll see what I mean.) Either the person never posted, or all the posts were deleted. Anyway. . . buh-DEE buh-DEE, that’s all folks! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-posters-now-forbidden-to-imply-rule-violations-in-the-pit/697504.md?page=3)