# Are reports of Hillary Clinton throwing tantrums credible? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 20, 2016, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593 "2016-11-20T21:06:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/21 "2016-11-21T02:10:00Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Part of being a professional and a good boss is that you _don’t_ take it out on your subordinates when you are under stress or in a bad mood. People who indulge themselves with abusing or lashing out at subordinates because they cannot control themselves should not be put in supervisory positions if possible. There is a lot of distance between being dismissive and being abusive. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/22 "2016-11-21T13:45:13Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Do the sources have video of this happening? In this day and age, when everyone has a video camera on their person at all times, if they don’t have video, they’re not credible. Well unless you think these rants are in public places it would be kinda awkward to pull out your camera phone in the middle of a tirade. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/23 "2016-11-21T14:50:57Z")
One can only imagine that it went something like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kntpywGl5ak). Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/24 "2016-11-21T15:02:04Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > Well unless you think these rants are in public places it would be kinda awkward to pull out your camera phone in the middle of a tirade. Uhma knows: [Huma Abedin - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huma_Abedin) She knows everything … if a book was written by someone that was there it would have a huge impact, uh? I see a day that Hillary and Bill are not married, just separated perhaps like when Gore divorced Tipper. Some good advice there: astorian > [@](#): > > Serious question: are you equally skeptical when ugly rumors surface about politicians you hate? > > ALL of us are tempted to believe the worst of our opponents. We shouldn’t be quick to embrace any and all ugly rumors we hear, but when they’re targeted at people we hate, we typically do. > > The Left eagerly ate up implausible stories about Sarah Palin because they confirmed what liberals wanted to believe. It’s no different when conservatives hear stories that Hillary is a bitch. > What’s the truth? How would I know? For what little it’s worth, the few friends I have who’ve met Hillary thought she was smart, warm, funny and extremely charming- none understood why she often seems just the opposite on TV. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/25 "2016-11-21T15:05:41Z")
You know how, on this very message board, you can take your time rebutting someone’s lengthy and erroneous post, calmly checking facts and citing sources, and invariably the person you’re replying to will picture in their heads you banging away at your keyboard in an apoplectic rage, spittle flying as your struggle to control your wrath? And then accuse you of such? Humans are just terrible at relaying memories. For one, if someone gets upset and you’re already predisposed to think of that person as an angry type, then it tends to get filed away as being more dramatic than it really was. And for two, nobody wants to hear that story about that time someone famous did something rather bland. Which means that there are probably lots of secret service agents who saw the exact same sort of behavior and thought nothing of it who nobody will ever hear from, because they either don’t consider those stories to be worth telling, or because nobody else considers those stories to be worth repeating. But the chronic exaggerator who’s willing to regale us with entertaining tales that we want to hear about sour grapes and flying chairs, that guy’s version of events get forwarded by my father in law. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/26 "2016-11-21T15:44:19Z")
Looking at the whole of her life and all she has tolerated, yeah - I can believe it. If she didn’t go off on a tirade now and then she wouldn’t be normal. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/27 "2016-11-21T16:01:26Z")
> [@astro](#): > > There are number of stories floated over the years and most seem to come from SS Agents assigned to her during the Clinton White house years who say she was very nasty and dismissive if she was not in a good mood or under stress, and given what went down during those times good moods were probably rare. > > But …personally IMO, in looking and listening to her the underlying “vibe” I get is not that genuinely warm or friendly, it’s a hungry, focused vibe of someone very smart and controlled trying very hard to seem normal and positive. From what I have read she is fairly reserved and thus can come across as cold sometimes even standoffish. However, once you get to know her/she gets to know you, she is quite warm and personable. Also, Bill is apparently extremely warm and outgoing and his force of personality has to be seen to be believed. Anyone would look bitchy compared to him. Apparently the Obamas are apparently very reserved and curt with others and at times confrontational. Yet people have reported to have enjoyed working for them. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/28 "2016-11-21T16:42:24Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Good thing we elected Trump, then. What’s this “we”, paleface? ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/29 "2016-11-21T18:49:17Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > There is a lot of distance between being dismissive and being abusive. How about being dismissive and being “nasty” (your word)? I could see her being a bit bitchy. Full on tantrum?What the hell kind of adults throw tantrums, unless they’re drunk or something? Still, as the song says, ‘no one knows what goes on behind closed doors’. My cousin in Chicago has a PR firm and therefore has access to a lot of politicians and whatnot. Oy, the things she told me about Michelle and the Obamas’ relationship. And she’s a big supporter; she just thinks personally they’re a pair of wankers. I hate to believe it but there’s no way I’ll ever know without physical proof. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/30 "2016-11-21T19:11:08Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > How about being dismissive and being “nasty” (your word)? > > I could see her being a bit bitchy. Full on tantrum?What the hell kind of adults throw tantrums, unless they’re drunk or something? Still, as the song says, ‘no one knows what goes on behind closed doors’. Actually, it was not \*my \*word. It was **astro’s**. I just repeated it. I do not know what the actual behavior was that he referred to as “nasty” so I can only make an interpretation. I can see her getting terse with someone. If _I_ say, “Look, that’s not what I asked you for. Come back when you can get it right.” I consider it very nasty and dismissive, it’s about the worst I have ever said. Which is maybe twice. I would not criticize her for saying that on a bad day to someone who can’t follow instructions right the first time. But if she were to say, “Get the hell out of my sight you idiot,” that is just abusive. Anything worse than \*that \*is just plain toxic. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/31 "2016-11-21T20:05:49Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > Actually, it was not \*my \*word. It was **astro’s**. I just repeated it. I do not know what the actual behavior was that he referred to as “nasty” so I can only make an interpretation. > > I can see her getting terse with someone. If _I_ say, “Look, that’s not what I asked you for. Come back when you can get it right.” I consider it very nasty and dismissive, it’s about the worst I have ever said. Which is maybe twice. I would not criticize her for saying that on a bad day to someone who can’t follow instructions right the first time. But if she were to say, “Get the hell out of my sight you idiot,” that is just abusive. Anything worse than \*that \*is just plain toxic. I stand corrected; sorry 'bout that 🙂 She’s definitely no shrinking violet but I hate to think of anyone I admire being a jerk (though of course, some are). Boy, she sure looked like she’d been crying in what I think was her first post election speech. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/32 "2016-11-21T20:18:17Z")
I can only go by what I have heard and seen when talking to a few Secret Service Agents. The Clinton’s were not well liked by those that worked for them. I’ve been told directly that Hilary treated them like shit and like servants and not as the professionals that were dedicated to saving her life that they were. Bill was better but did not have much respect for them. They loved working for the Bush family. At least George and Laura. I never had any contact with anyone who had to babysit the daughters while they were being typical college kids. The Obama’s were described as being pretty aloof around them but didn’t treat them poorly. The worst criticism about Obama from them was that he was always late and always running behind which screwed up their schedules and caused security headaches. 43 was extremely punctual and always stuck to the schedule. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/33 "2016-11-21T21:38:20Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I can only go by what I have heard and seen when talking to a few Secret Service Agents. Random question. Do secret service agents turn over like other White House staff with each new presidency, or is it common for the same agent to work with multiple presidents? That is, are you talking about different agents who worked at different times, or single individuals who experienced many different presidents? ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/34 "2016-11-21T22:18:10Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I can only go by what I have heard and seen when talking to a few Secret Service Agents. The Clinton’s were not well liked by those that worked for them. I’ve been told directly that Hilary treated them like shit and like servants and not as the professionals that were dedicated to saving her life that they were. Bill was better but did not have much respect for them. They loved working for the Bush family. At least George and Laura. I never had any contact with anyone who had to babysit the daughters while they were being typical college kids. The Obama’s were described as being pretty aloof around them but didn’t treat them poorly. The worst criticism about Obama from them was that he was always late and always running behind which screwed up their schedules and caused security headaches. 43 was extremely punctual and always stuck to the schedule. I really think 43 was a class act. Say what you will about not liking his policies but he really took the position of president seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/35 "2016-11-21T23:15:51Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Random question. Do secret service agents turn over like other White House staff with each new presidency, or is it common for the same agent to work with multiple presidents? That is, are you talking about different agents who worked at different times, or single individuals who experienced many different presidents? The ones that I am acquainted with worked through multiple administrations. Agents tend to be pretty jaded politically and their job is to protect the office regardless of their personal preferences. However, Presidential detail is extremely stressful so agents might not be able to do it long enough to protect more than one or two if they are on Presidential detail at all (most SS agents don’t ever do Presidential duty). My friend’s father was on duty when Reagan got shot for example. He wasn’t injured himself but the aftermath took a major toll on the whole family. They got moved to California to protect ex-President Ford for a few years before returning to Washington to go back on duty for the active administration (Bush 41 and then the Clintons). Protecting Ford versus a sitting President was supposed to be a break but it is amazing how many threats even ex-Presidents get. As an aside, a lot of the White House staff does not turn over between administrations either. [The Chief Usher](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Chief_Usher) for example is the head of household operations and manages the household staff. Both the Chief Usher and those under him can serve for decades. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/36 "2016-11-22T00:01:27Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Random question. Do secret service agents turn over like other White House staff with each new presidency, or is it common for the same agent to work with multiple presidents? That is, are you talking about different agents who worked at different times, or single individuals who experienced many different presidents? SS agents are not White House staff, they are law enforcement agents within the Department of Homeland Security. They are analogous to FBI Special Agents–they do not change just because the administration turns over. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/37 "2016-11-22T00:13:42Z")
I was under the impression that Secret Service Agents did not talk about protectees, that doing so would make their jobs harder. If that’s not one of their rules, it oughtta be. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/38 "2016-11-22T00:23:28Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > It was reported that Hillary was crying inconsolably. Just like a woman, amirite? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/39 "2016-11-22T04:53:24Z")
Thank you, Shagnasty and CookingWithGas. Interesting stuff. Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593/40 "2016-11-22T06:23:19Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > He is the very model of a modern bigly president/He’s information military, economic, and immigrational/He knows the major players and their paedophile proclivities/From Manhattan to Long Island, he knows the nation inimical. Thank you for the laugh. I needed it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-reports-of-hillary-clinton-throwing-tantrums-credible/772593.md?page=3)