# Are some people fated to commit suicide.

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [February 11, 2010, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-some-people-fated-to-commit-suicide/528553 "2010-02-11T14:56:45Z")\
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**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-some-people-fated-to-commit-suicide/528553/82 "2010-02-23T01:13:17Z")

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> [@begbert2](#):
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> So you can’t exactly _fault_ a person for bringing his deterministic perspective in here and arguing based on it - and it’s fair to warn people that that’s what’s going on.

I wasn’t _faulting_ you as such. I was just pointing out that this had moved into the territory of a standard debate on free will. Which is significant because…

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> with the ensuing debate _inevitably_ being one on free will.

…this point is debatable.  
I mean, the OP is talking about “fate” but it is also specifically in the context of suicide, so it’s not obvious that a standard debate on free will is what’s desired.  
(If it were, why is the OP not phrased more generally?).

That’s all I’m saying.

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**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-some-people-fated-to-commit-suicide/528553/83 "2010-02-23T17:27:11Z")

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> [@Mijin](#):
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> I wasn’t _faulting_ you as such. I was just pointing out that this had moved into the territory of a standard debate on free will. Which is significant because…
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> …this point is debatable.  
> I mean, the OP is talking about “fate” but it is also specifically in the context of suicide, so it’s not obvious that a standard debate on free will is what’s desired.  
> (If it were, why is the OP not phrased more generally?).
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> That’s all I’m saying.

Well, the topic of this thread isn’t _just_ it’s thread title. 🙂 The OP raised three points, one of which is getting little debate, and the second of which has both generated debate and is specific to suicide. (I’ve weighed in on that topic myself.) But regarding the third point, which relates to fate, I don’t see any way of discussing it except as it relates to the question of free will in general. Well, unless you define ‘fate’ as only being meaningful in hindsight, in which case the answer is a trivial ‘yes’, but without any significant implications whatsoever.

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**Author:** ![giddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/0ea827/32.png) [@giddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/giddy)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-some-people-fated-to-commit-suicide/528553/84 "2015-02-26T00:52:52Z")

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i paid a stranger via paypal to come in my apt at a certain and kill me! i cant wait!!

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-some-people-fated-to-commit-suicide/528553/85 "2015-02-26T02:21:06Z")

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Zombie.

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