# Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 9, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227 "2012-04-09T03:54:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/1 "2012-04-09T03:54:32Z")
First, I already know that nearly all girls are bi/bicurious/lesbian(90%) and that the vast majority of girls are experimental and get with girls all the time. But, this is for the very few girls who are actually straight. Are these girls usually unattractive? Everyone talks about how bi girls and lesbians are hot and guys always talk about them. The media portrays bi girls and lesbians as sexy too. But straight girls are never talked about or noticed, although they aren’t many to talk about. Is this because they’re the ones who are fat, ugly, or nerdy looking girls? Are straight girls straight just because they aren’t good looking enough to get a girl? ---
**Author:** ![Silophant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Silophant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silophant)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/2 "2012-04-09T03:55:59Z")
I think some of your assumptions are flawed. Also, probably not really a GQ. Reported for forum change. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/3 "2012-04-09T04:03:02Z")
All the lesbians I know are pretty much fat and ugly. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/4 "2012-04-09T04:05:26Z")
> [@Silophant](#): > > I think some of your assumptions are flawed. Also, probably not really a GQ. Reported for forum change. Where should this go? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_T](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Gary\_T](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_T)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/5 "2012-04-09T04:11:04Z")
> [@Silophant](#): > > I think some of your assumptions are flawed. I wouldn’t say that. I think all of his assumptions are flawed. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/6 "2012-04-09T04:12:48Z")
> [@Gary\_T](#): > > I wouldn’t say that. I think all of his assumptions are flawed. Care to ezplain? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_T](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Gary\_T](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_T)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/7 "2012-04-09T04:25:59Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > First, I already know that nearly all girls are bi/bicurious/lesbian(90%) and that the vast majority of girls are experimental and get with girls all the time. I doubt that you do know that, as I’m pretty confident it’s not so. What, pray tell, are your sources for believing this? > [@](#): > > Everyone talks about how bi girls and lesbians are hot and guys always talk about them. The media portrays bi girls and lesbians as sexy too. Everyone? :dubious: What guys? I gather that some men enjoy “lesbian” porn, which isn’t really lesbians but rather women playing the role of someone’s idea of lesbians. And I’ve seen some sitcom references that act as if this is common. But that’s just Hollywood writers playing an angle. Do you have any evidence that doesn’t derive from TV fiction? > [@](#): > > But straight girls are never talked about or noticed, although they aren’t many to talk about. Is this because they’re the ones who are fat, ugly, or nerdy looking girls? Are straight girls straight just because they aren’t good looking enough to get a girl? Wow. This is just so ridiculous, I almost hate to respond, but… There are plenty of straight women who are seriously attractive. Your intimation that some women are stuck with male partners because of how they look, while interesting in comparison to the more familiar “women become lesbians because they can’t attract a man,” is not only misinformed, it’s insulting and hurtful. Please don’t spread this crap, rather continue to seek the facts. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/8 "2012-04-09T04:30:18Z")
[QUOTE=Fred] Care to ezplain? [/QUOTE] You do know that pornography is not an accurate picture of the sexual spectrum right? > [@Fred13](#): > > First, I already know that nearly all girls are bi/bicurious/lesbian(90%) Can you please amuse us and tell us how you came by this information. > [@](#): > > and that the vast majority of girls are experimental and get with girls all the time. Again cite. I guess if vast majority = small percentage in your world this makes sense. > [@](#): > > But, this is for the very few girls who are actually straight. by a few girls you mean most women? > [@](#): > > Are these girls usually unattractive? Most guys I know tend to find women who would have sex with them a bit more appealiing and straight girls tend to fall into that category. > [@](#): > > Everyone talks about how bi girls and lesbians are hot and guys always talk about them. I never talk about these things > [@](#): > > The media portrays bi girls and lesbians as sexy too. The media also presents reality tv as reality. I don’t think you should trust them. > [@](#): > > But straight girls are never talked about or noticed, although they aren’t many to talk about My head hurts. > [@](#): > > Is this because they’re the ones who are fat, ugly, or nerdy looking girls? Are straight girls straight just because they aren’t good looking enough to get a girl? Is stupid contagious? ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/9 "2012-04-09T04:31:27Z")
> [@Gary\_T](#): > > I doubt that you do know that, as I’m pretty confident it’s not so. What, pray tell, are your sources for believing this? > > Everyone? :dubious: What guys? I gather that some men enjoy “lesbian” porn, which isn’t really lesbians but rather women playing the role of someone’s idea of lesbians. And I’ve seen some sitcom references that act as if this is common. But that’s just Hollywood writers playing an angle. Do you have any evidence that doesn’t derive from TV fiction? > > Wow. This is just so ridiculous, I almost hate to respond, but… > > There are plenty of straight women who are seriously attractive. Your intimation that some women are stuck with male partners because of how they look, while interesting in comparison to the more familiar “women become lesbians because they can’t attract a man,” is not only misinformed, it’s insulting and hurtful. Please don’t spread this crap, rather continue to seek the facts. Ok. And my sorurces are real life. ---
**Author:** ![Tamex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Tamex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/10 "2012-04-09T04:34:58Z")
Has the OP ever seen any real lesbians, or just the girls who play them in porn movies? ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/11 "2012-04-09T04:39:22Z")
> [@Tamex](#): > > Has the OP ever seen any real lesbians, or just the girls who play them in porn movies? I’m surrounded by them, and they are usually attractive or fat. Bi girls do not seem to ever be ugly. Straight girls…I don’t know any I think. Do you? ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/12 "2012-04-09T04:40:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Ok. And my sorurces are real life. My sources are actual research. [ > [@](#): > > Among women aged 18-44 in the same survey, 90% said they were heterosexual, 1.3% homosexual, 2.8% bisexual, and 3.8% as ‘something else’ (Mosher, Chandra, & Jones, 2005). ]([http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/FAQ.html#homosexuality](http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/FAQ.html#homosexuality)) Also, some purely anecdotal evidence to consider: [Straight.](http://www.angelinajolieweb.org/angelina-jolie-pics/) [Gay.](http://www.people.com/people/rosie_odonnell/0,,,00.html) ---
**Author:** ![Jaledin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Jaledin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaledin)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/13 "2012-04-09T04:43:46Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Straight girls…I don’t know any I think. Do you? My mind’s blown. I _thought_ I knew some straight “girls,” but were they just passing? You saying you don’t know any self-identified straight chicks? ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/14 "2012-04-09T04:47:39Z")
> [@Jaledin](#): > > My mind’s blown. I _thought_ I knew some straight “girls,” but were they just passing? You saying you don’t know any self-identified straight chicks? Like 2 I think, and they aren’t attractive. They’re the ones who talked to no one. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/15 "2012-04-09T04:49:54Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > My sources are actual research. > > [ > > Also, some purely anecdotal evidence to consider: > > [URL=“[http://www.angelinajolieweb.org/angelina-jolie-pics/](http://www.angelinajolieweb.org/angelina-jolie-pics/)”]Straight.]([http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/FAQ.html#homosexuality](http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/FAQ.html#homosexuality)) > > [Gay.](http://www.people.com/people/rosie_odonnell/0,,,00.html) Terrible example. Angelina Jolie is bisexual. She said it herself. Megan Fox is bicurious as well. You picked the worst lesbian example. When was that survey taken? I doubt it’s within the past few years or those numbers would be reversed. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/16 "2012-04-09T04:50:19Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > I’m surrounded by them, and they are usually attractive or fat. Bi girls do not seem to ever be ugly. Straight girls…I don’t know any I think. Do you? Will not have sex with you does not equal not straight. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/17 "2012-04-09T04:51:38Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > You do know that pornography is not an accurate picture of the sexual spectrum right? > > Can you please amuse us and tell us how you came by this information. > > Again cite. I guess if vast majority = small percentage in your world this makes sense. > > by a few girls you mean most women? > > Most guys I know tend to find women who would have sex with them a bit more appealiing and straight girls tend to fall into that category. > > I never talk about these things > > The media also presents reality tv as reality. I don’t think you should trust them. > > My head hurts. > > Is stupid contagious? My sources are real life. Who talks about bi girls…college guys. My reasoning is based on experience. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/18 "2012-04-09T04:53:15Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > Will not have sex with you does not equal not straight. No…that’s not my reasoning. They aren’t. Straight since they all like girls somehow whether it’s arousal, attraction, fantasizing, sex, or d acting. Nothing to do with me. ---
**Author:** ![Jaledin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Jaledin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaledin)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/19 "2012-04-09T05:02:05Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Straight since they all like girls somehow whether it’s arousal, attraction, fantasizing, sex, or d acting. Nothing to do with me. "d acting [sic]? douche-acting? Dp-acting? Why don’t you open a thread asking others to analyze you (_hint_, you’d be the analysand)? What is your question, why is it in GQ, and where in the inbred Ozarks do you live where nice-looking chicks after dicks don’t exist? Are you looking for advice on how to talk to womyn? Pro tip: ball gag after getting to know you chat. Serious, what’s the prob? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_T](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Gary\_T](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_T)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/20 "2012-04-09T05:02:27Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Ok. And my sorurces are real life. Ah, dear **Fred** , welcome to the Straight Dope, note that we deal in facts, and please understand that just saying “real life” won’t do. **Silophant, beowulff, boytyperanma, Tamex,** and I are all gently suggesting that OUR experience of real life – which I suspect is several times longer than yours for each of us – is quite different from what you maintain is yours. **Jenaroph** is kindly providing a cite from a well-known research institute. So while it’s possible (though I suspect quite unlikely) that 90% of the women you know are not straight, making statements like “I…know that nearly all girls are bi/bicurious/lesbian(90%)…,” [underlining mine] when in fact you do NOT _ **KNOW** _ this, and in fact it’s nowhere remotely close to true for _ **ALL** _ women, does not fly here. We want to see respectable cites for your contentions. Otherwise, please forgive us as we call “bullshit” on what you’re saying. > [@](#): > > When was that survey taken? I doubt it’s within the past few years… 2005, which can be plainly seen in the part quoted. > [@](#): > > …or those numbers would be reversed. Reversed? REVERSED?? You gotta be kidding me. You’ve got a lot to learn, friend. College boys spouting horsecrap about things sexual is not where to learn it from. I also think you’re using a much too broad definition of non-straight here. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227.md?page=2)