# Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 9, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227 "2012-04-09T03:54:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Kaio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c68b51/32.png) [@Kaio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaio)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/182 "2012-04-09T18:04:35Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Not just college but in general. And according to you and a few others on here I’m now going to raise the age of most women being bisexual to 45, as older people in here a saying it was common in their time as well. Thanks for proving my point further. Wow. You didn’t even read my post, did you? I proved your point? By saying I know women across the spectrum of both orientation and attractiveness? Those words… I don’t think they mean what you think they mean… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/183 "2012-04-09T18:05:04Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Please respond to my last post in response to you. I’m interested m your answer I wouldn’t say it’s true of most American women in general. I doubt that there’s much of that going on in Wichita, Kansas, for example. In the glam crowd, I would guess half the women have had at least one lesbian experience. Tough to put a number on this, though. There are the women that I know have dated women, women who have had the occasional fling, and then there are the ones that I don’t know about one way or the other. [No way to prove a negative.](http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/4194035/Gillian-Anderson-reveals-lesbian-affairs.html) ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/184 "2012-04-09T18:05:37Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Yeah, I see she went out with Sandra Bernhard in the late '80s in between dating dozens of guys and marrying two of them. Maybe she had another fling or two with a woman, but her dating history is chronicled exhaustively online - and more to the point, you’d be foolish to assume that anything she does in public is done for anything other than attention, and you’d be foolish to think people only do stuff sexually because celebrities are doing it. > Google it. > From a statistical standpoint, internet surveys are useless. > No, now you’re blustering by trying to make me think I said something that can be interpreted as backward or sexust. I didn’t, and you’ve either totally misunderstood his post or you’re misrepresenting it. He said very clearly that he’s not talking about everybody. He said bisexuality is probably more common among young women who are in the entertainment industry or trying to get into the entertainment industry. The entertainment industry is pretty gay-friendly, so it’s easy to believe you’d find more gay and bisexual people there than you would in the population at large. So you’re saying Madonna is straight although she dates women and identifies as bi? :smack: teenage girls copy they’re favorite celeb. Why do you think fashion trends start with tv? I won’t find the survey again. I tried before to find it but it was probably not well known nor legitimate. You debunked it. And no, he’s saying women m entertainment as well as women in careers end up doing this. You,think he last words of soccer moms applies to celebrities? ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/185 "2012-04-09T18:08:26Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > I wouldn’t say it’s true of most American women in general. I doubt that there’s much of that going on in Wichita, Kansas, for example. > > In the glam crowd, I would guess half the women have had at least one lesbian experience. Tough to put a number on this, though. There are the women that I know have dated women, women who have had the occasional fling, and then there are the ones that I don’t know about one way or the other. [No way to prove a negative.](http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/4194035/Gillian-Anderson-reveals-lesbian-affairs.html) So you’re saying it only doesn’t happen in religious, conservative places then? Wouldn’t that mean it happens to most then? Also, I’m curious about the men there also. Des this “down low” business happen there also,with men?I’ce heard so much about it lately I’d like to hear from someone in the business. ---
**Author:** ![FlyByNight512](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/82dd89/32.png) [@FlyByNight512](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyByNight512)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/186 "2012-04-09T18:08:52Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Sorry you are right on the age part. Your experiences are different to mine. But, explain below’s experiences in the industry then, as well as my own? You are one person…I’ve spoken to at least 10 individuals on this. > [@Fred13](#): > > Also, look at below’s experience as well. He’s saying it’s common for,straight women I careers also to do this, which I hope,you agree is most women. Unless, you,also believe women aren’t in careers yet? Wait, so are we talking about women in the entertainment industry or all women who have careers in all industries? The majority of women in your 18-25 range are not in careers yet anyway. So which subset of the population are you trying to make stand in for ‘all women’ here? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/187 "2012-04-09T18:09:15Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > You really don’t hear about that anymore. I’m not sure how you became an expert in what I hear and see, but again: just because you see something a couple of times doesn’t mean it’s true for huge numbers of people. That ought to be common sense. > [@](#): > > A truly believe that below the age of 45 there are vey, very few women who haven’t or didn’t want to or don’t. Why would you believe that, though? Because that’s what you and a few friends think you’re seeing in women your own age? > [@](#): > > I agree that maybe most girls have always been bi The facts say otherwise. > [@](#): > > So I guess it’s more correct to say that the majority of women have always been bi, and surveys taken showing such a low number are only shown because they don’t want to admit it. If they don’t admit it and don’t act on it, in what way are they bi? > [@Fred13](#): > > So you’re saying Madonna is straight although she dates women and identifies as bi? I can find one woman she dated about 25 years ago. She’s dated dozens of men and married two. Does that sound like a bisexual to you, or someone who tried it once/a few times? > [@](#): > > And no, he’s saying women m entertainment as well as women in careers end up doing this. You,think he last words of soccer moms applies to celebrities? Again, you either completely misunderstood what he said, or you want it to mean something else. He’s been pretty specific about what he actually said. Read this carefully: > [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > I’m talking about the glam industry, but also about young women who are on the periphery of the industry who work as bank tellers, dental assistants, etc. Women in the glam industry and women on the periphery of the glam industry (meaning they’re trying to get into it). Not “women with careers.” Women with one type of career and women who are trying to make a living with the same career. Get it? ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/188 "2012-04-09T18:10:29Z")
> [@Kaio](#): > > Wow. You didn’t even read my post, did you? I proved your point? By saying I know women across the spectrum of both orientation and attractiveness? > > Those words… I don’t think they mean what you think they mean… :rolleyes: No…by saying it was mpcommon in your college days as well…meaning older women re just as bi as younger ones. The sterotyping of straight women being ugly is proven by belowjob. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/189 "2012-04-09T18:12:51Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’m not sure how you became an expert in what I hear and see, but again: just because you see something a couple of times doesn’t mean it’s true for huge numbers of people. That ought to be common sense. > Why would you believe that, though? Because that’s what you and a few friends think you’re seeing in women your own age? > The facts say otherwise. > If they don’t admit it and don’t act on it, in what way are they bi? Your first point makes sense. No, because many of the posters in here say it was common in the past with them as well. They proved my experience. You jut agreed with me in your last post. They are bi since the desire is there, and apparently they do act on it. ---
**Author:** ![Kaio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c68b51/32.png) [@Kaio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaio)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/190 "2012-04-09T18:14:40Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He said bisexuality is probably more common among young women who are in the entertainment industry or trying to get into the entertainment industry. The entertainment industry is pretty gay-friendly, so it’s easy to believe you’d find more gay and bisexual people there than you would in the population at large. Also, for what it’s worth, that _vast_ majority of women I know in the Chicago entertainment industry are straight (actors, mostly). And, as I said, ranging in attractiveness from average to very attractive. That said, yeah, the entertainment industry is of a liberal bent, which means very few actors would have qualms about playing a gay or bisexual character, regardless of their own real life orientation. The stigma has been fading, even for men. What you see on the TV is not a reflection of their true sexual identity. They’re performers, they’re acting. That’s their job. It sells, and therefore makes them money. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/191 "2012-04-09T18:16:43Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’m not sure how you became an expert in what I hear and see, but again: just because you see something a couple of times doesn’t mean it’s true for huge numbers of people. That ought to be common sense. > Why would you believe that, though? Because that’s what you and a few friends think you’re seeing in women your own age? > The facts say otherwise. > If they don’t admit it and don’t act on it, in what way are they bi? > I can find one woman she dated about 25 years ago. She’s dated dozens of men and married two. Does that sound like a bisexual to you, or someone who tried it once/a few times? > Again, you either completely misunderstood what he said, or you want it to mean something else. He’s been pretty specific about what he actually said. :smack: I’m sorry but dating a woman in the past and kissing women now makes one bi. If you are a woman who has done this it’s okay as we’ll, but don’t kid yourself. If I date a guy right now, and then go back to girls later, but still think about guys and kiss them on occasion, am I still straight! According to you I would be? Look, I’m snot sure what you.'re getting at here by claiming most women have flings, but still most women aren’t bi. And belowjob was pretty blatant in his post: entertainment women, and career women. ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/192 "2012-04-09T18:17:52Z")
[Here’s a typical scene in my town](http://i.imgur.com/1OsIf.jpg), which is something of a lesbian mecca. [And another](http://i.imgur.com/Njr4p.jpg). Hubba hubba! ---
**Author:** ![Kaio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c68b51/32.png) [@Kaio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaio)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/193 "2012-04-09T18:18:23Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > No…by saying it was mpcommon in your college days as well…meaning older women re just as bi as younger ones. The sterotyping of straight women being ugly is proven by belowjob. Proving my point that you did not, in fact, read my post. I said they were **not** queer. They were pretending, so they could get laid _by men._ I also said it wasn’t common when I was in college, just starting to become so when I left. Your reading comprehension is severely lacking, kid. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/194 "2012-04-09T18:22:41Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > So you’re saying it only doesn’t happen in religious, conservative places then? Wouldn’t that mean it happens to most then? Also, I’m curious about the men there also. Des this “down low” business happen there also,with men?I’ce heard so much about it lately I’d like to hear from someone in the business. A great deal of America is fairly religious and conservative. I don’t see most American women going bi. Perhaps most have had a lesbian fantasy or two, but they won’t act on them. In an atmosphere where they’re free to pursue it, and even encouraged to do so, it’s different. The down low is a subject for another thread, but sure, there are and always have been a substantial number of closeted male stars. [Full Service](http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/14/entertainment/la-et-0214-book-20120214) tells how it was then, which is pretty much how it is now. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/195 "2012-04-09T18:23:22Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > :smack: I’m sorry but dating a woman in the past and kissing women now makes one bi. She dated one woman 25 years ago and kissed one woman on TV as part of a performance, for publicity, almost 10 years ago. That’s one relationship and one that was pretend. I don’t think that counts for much. > [@](#): > > Look, I’m snot sure what you.'re getting at here by claiming most women have flings, but still most women aren’t bi. I didn’t say most women have flings. Do you think I said that, or are you just trying desperately to pretend I agree with you? > [@](#): > > And belowjob was pretty blatant in his post: entertainment women, and career women. _Quoting again:_ > [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > I’m talking about the glam industry, but also about young women who are on the periphery of the industry who work as bank tellers, dental assistants, etc. Nothing about “career women.” That wouldn’t even make sense. He’s talked about one industry and said elsewhere that he’s not talking about everybody. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/196 "2012-04-09T18:27:00Z")
> [@Kaio](#): > > Also, for what it’s worth, that _vast_ majority of women I know in the Chicago entertainment industry are straight (actors, mostly). And, as I said, ranging in attractiveness from average to very attractive. > > That said, yeah, the entertainment industry is of a liberal bent, which means very few actors would have qualms about playing a gay or bisexual character, regardless of their own real life orientation. The stigma has been fading, even for men. What you see on the TV is not a reflection of their true sexual identity. They’re performers, they’re acting. That’s their job. It sells, and therefore makes them money. By straight, you mean identify as straight, and in a het relationship? Would you say that the vast majority of actresses in the Chicago theater scene have never had a lesbian affair, have never dated a woman. Not challenging your experience, I just find it surprising. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/197 "2012-04-09T18:27:50Z")
> [@Kaio](#): > > Proving my point that you did not, in fact, read my post. I said they were **not** queer. They were pretending, so they could get laid _by men._ > > I also said it wasn’t common when I was in college, just starting to become so when I left. Your reading comprehension is severely lacking, kid. Pretnending is still bi, sorry. Maybe in your world where women pretend can still be straight but in mine and reality it isn’t. How do you know they didn’t just pretend to be straight until then? And you can’t take back your words, you said it was getting more common in your days, meaning it was becoming more and more common when it was common already. ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/198 "2012-04-09T18:28:27Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > I am shocked, SHOCKED! to hear that homosexuality is rampant in the American entertainment industry. And actors and would-be actors are often uncommonly good looking. Who woulda thunk it? ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/199 "2012-04-09T18:30:33Z")
> [@Kaio](#): > > Also, for what it’s worth, that _vast_ majority of women I know in the Chicago entertainment industry are straight (actors, mostly). And, as I said, ranging in attractiveness from average to very attractive. > > That said, yeah, the entertainment industry is of a liberal bent, which means very few actors would have qualms about playing a gay or bisexual character, regardless of their own real life orientation. The stigma has been fading, even for men. What you see on the TV is not a reflection of their true sexual identity. They’re performers, they’re acting. That’s their job. It sells, and therefore makes them money. You think they a straight but they aren’t. Like belowjob said, it’s secretive. ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/200 "2012-04-09T18:31:56Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Pretnending is still bi, sorry. Another fact that may interest you. Harrison Ford really is both an archaeologist and a space-ship pilot. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/201 "2012-04-09T18:33:12Z")
This reminds of a time when my other half was playing some FPS online…one guy on the map was fixated on lesbians and kept saying things like: LESBIANS WHERE ARE THE LESBIANS I WANT SOME LESBIANS BRING ME THE LESBIANS And nothing else. Now I guess in this FPS a majority of people have to vote to switch maps, or some such, and this guy was a holdout…so they kept trying to entice him to switch maps, until someone said THERE ARE LESBIANS IN THE NEXT MAP DUDE And lo! The guy voted to switch immediately. OP, are you that guy, seeing lesbians everywhere? 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227.md?page=11)