# Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 9, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227 "2012-04-09T03:54:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Kaio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c68b51/32.png) [@Kaio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaio)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/242 "2012-04-09T19:49:41Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > What was your point? I hate girl on girl to honest, so no it’s not that I pay more attention to them it’s that they are everywhere. I’m sorry but since no girls exist that dom’t fake bi or are bi, no girls are truly straight. Yeah I’m saying it now NOO girls are straight truly. It must be in your genes. 😃 Dude, you _quoted_ my point! In that post! ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/243 "2012-04-09T19:51:07Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Most women don’t hook up with other women. And yes, people vying for attention in a club can be just as phony as movie actors. Faking is faking. You’re wrong on the first premise. The second Imdon’t know at all. They aren’t getting paid for it. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/244 "2012-04-09T19:52:37Z")
> [@Kaio](#): > > 😃 Dude, you _quoted_ my point! In that post! You said women pretend to be bi for attention. Okay. I,added that belowjob’s experience is that women do this in private also away from others, so it’s not just for attention. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/245 "2012-04-09T19:56:02Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > You tell me? I didn’t even know until belowjob’s story that women were secret about this. With men I could say that men who are straight are never gay. For women, I don’t know at this point. Care to explain belowjob’s experiences then? So you started this thread out of ignorance and have chosen only to accept the most ignorant explanation offered here above all the factual data offered. You are really hopeless. It’s spring break go outside and take a poll of every hot girl walking by and come back with the results. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/246 "2012-04-09T19:58:55Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > You’re wrong on the first premise. Got any facts that prove it? Facts being something different from stuff your friends tell you. ---
**Author:** ![Dublin11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Dublin11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dublin11)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/247 "2012-04-09T20:02:08Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Half their cousins are bi but all their friends are bi. They have more friends than cousins. Not everyone has only half their cousins as bi. It could be more. It’d have to be more than 100% for an awful lot of them for your maths to add up and produce this 90% figure, you know. Look at it this way - if I was a fundamental Christian or Manchester United fan or a heroin addict or a potholer, my friends would be too. This does not extrapolate to a whole nation. I would know that there existed other people in this world - even in my town or neighbourhood - who were not fundamental Christians, Manchester United fans or heroin addicts or potholers. That’s the point. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/248 "2012-04-09T20:06:16Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > So you started this thread out of ignorance and have chosen only to accept the most ignorant explanation offered here above all the factual data offered. > > You are really hopeless. It’s spring break go outside and take a poll of every hot girl walking by and come back with the results. Explain how it’s ignorant? I can’t understand why some you say I’m ignorant yet fail to back it up. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/249 "2012-04-09T20:07:35Z")
> [@Dublin11](#): > > It’d have to be more than 100% for an awful lot of them for your maths to add up and produce this 90% figure, you know. > > Look at it this way - if I was a fundamental Christian or Manchester United fan or a heroin addict or a potholer, my friends would be too. This does not extrapolate to a whole nation. I would know that there existed other people in this world - even in my town or neighbourhood - who were not fundamental Christians, Manchester United fans or heroin addicts or potholers. > > That’s the point. Okay fine straight women exist, just very very few who haven’t been with women or have attraction to them. Is that better? ---
**Author:** ![Dublin11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Dublin11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dublin11)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/250 "2012-04-09T20:14:47Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Okay fine straight women exist, just very very few who haven’t been with women or have attraction to them. Is that better? A tiny bit. Nothing like remotely sensible _just_ yet, but it’s a work in progress, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/251 "2012-04-09T20:17:53Z")
I think the great thing about this argument is that the estimated percentage of bisexual and lesbian women keeps going _up_ even though the facts showed the OP was off by around 86 percent. Somehow **Fred13** keeps deciding that there are even more of these women, not less. ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/252 "2012-04-09T20:27:27Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Possible reasons someone would choose “something else” in a poll like that: > > They’re asexual, and don’t feel sexual attraction to anyone, regardless of gender. > They’re pansexual, and don’t take gender into account when forming romantic bonds. > They reject the binary gender paradigm altogether, and view terms like “heterosexual,” “homosexual,” and “bisexual” as essentially meaningless. > They misread the question. Thanks, but I think I [solved the problem for myself](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14949319&postcount=228). 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/253 "2012-04-09T20:29:32Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I think the great thing about this argument is that the estimated percentage of bisexual and lesbian women keeps going _up_ even though the facts showed the OP was off by around 86 percent. Somehow **Fred13** keeps deciding that there are even more of these women, not less. Why? Because of older women chiming in saying it was common in their time as well as belowjob saying it is extremely common nor even older straight women to do this. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/254 "2012-04-09T20:41:15Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Why? **Fred13** : 90 percent of women are bisexual or lesbian. Scientific survey: About 3.5 percent of women say they’re bi or lesbian. **Fred13** : There are very few straight women. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/255 "2012-04-09T20:43:54Z")
Is Madonna even relevant to today’s young women? She is old enough to be their mother, after all. (Manchester United? Nonsense. Arsenal, all the way!) ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/256 "2012-04-09T20:46:40Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Is Madonna even relevant to today’s young women? She is old enough to be their mother, after all. > > (Manchester United? Nonsense. Arsenal, all the way!) No but Katy perry, nicki Minaj, rhianna, Miley Cyrus, Vanessa Hudgens,etc are and they are all bi ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/257 "2012-04-09T20:48:03Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **Fred13** : 90 percent of women are bisexual or lesbian. > Scientific survey: About 3.5 percent of women say they’re bi or lesbian. > **Fred13** : There are very few straight women. I gave my rebuttal against this already. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/258 "2012-04-09T20:55:47Z")
> [@Kaio](#): > > I actually know more on-camera performers than theatre at this point, although there’s a ton of cross-over – most people do both, but most of the people I know focus on on-camera. Anyway, Chicago is a big small Midwestern town, which accounts for some of it. As I said, our attitude is very cooperative, and for the most part we’re not trying to be edgy or whatever to get attention, because we have less need to. From what I understand, the atmosphere in LA is _completely_ different. > > Frankly, not many of us discuss our real-life relationships, since no one is trying to be edgier than thou – it’s pretty irrelevant to our work as performers. I would guess that our actual demographics in terms of orientation pretty much dovetail with the overall demographics. Chicago itself is a liberal town, there’s not a lot of cause for anyone to be hiding here and therefore not a lot of cause to seek out acceptable industries to be out, moreso than other industries. For the most part people just don’t care that much. > > Well, so what, really? If you experiment with anal once and then decide it’s not for you, does that make you a total anal whore? How does that even make sense? > > The only person who can give you the true answer as to a person’s sexual orientation is that person him/herself. And we’ve got peer reviewed studies demonstrating that people who identify as queer are a minority of the American population. Makes sense. Thanks for the input. ---
**Author:** ![Dublin11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Dublin11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dublin11)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/259 "2012-04-09T21:08:52Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > (Manchester United? Nonsense. Arsenal, all the way!) Your lads won yesterday, I see. Third to the two teams from Mancunianland, now. Nice for you. I can’t even believe I know that. :smack: The admission of such knowledge puts my reputation as a stereotypical fine heterosexual woman in mortal peril. I’d better go and get vajazzled tomorrow - or something slightly less bonkers - just to be safe. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/260 "2012-04-09T21:10:49Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > I gave my rebuttal against this already. I’m not sure you’ve rebutted any arguments. You’ve stuck to your basic story (based on your friends or your cousins or whatever it is) in the face of actual facts, you’ve changed your story a few times, and you’ve cycled through a few different reasons for the trend. The truth of it is this: not a lot of women are gay or bisexual, and it’s not even close to 90 percent. It’s probably become more trendy in recent years for girls to do this kind of thing to get attention from guys, but if they’re doing it for male attention, that’s a pretty good hint of what they’re actually into. It’s not happening because of Katy Perry or Madonna. How long has there been girl-on-girl porn? Decades upon decades? I’m sure more than 3.5 percent of women have kissed a friend or a stranger romantically or even had a fling with a woman, but it’s not 90 percent. And trying something once also would not make you bisexual to most people. It’s a sexual _preference_, not a list of your entire personal history. But even using some of the more ridiculous definitions you’ve tried to use, you still wouldn’t get anything like 90 percent. So I guess the good news is that women are not about to abandon men because they’ve all discovered they prefer other women. The bad news, as someone else said, is that if you see a girl kiss her friend at a club, she might be doing it to get you to leave her alone. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/261 "2012-04-09T21:11:17Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Makes sense. Thanks for the input. Answer my last post please. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227.md?page=14)