# Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 9, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227 "2012-04-09T03:54:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/302 "2012-04-10T04:24:42Z")
> [@PandaBear77](#): > > Who taught this guy how to use a computer? He stated earlier he’s not using a computer. I’m guessing he’s posting from a smart phone or something. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/303 "2012-04-10T04:38:57Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Explain how it’s ignorant? I can’t understand why some you say I’m ignorant yet fail to back it up. Let’s see… the rampant grammar and capitalization errors, word-salad posts, and the “what?” response to a reference to Eleanor Roosevelt’s sexual flings with women just might have something to do with others perceiving you as ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/304 "2012-04-10T04:57:46Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Excuse me? You’re saying that _Katy Perry_ turned 90% of the young women in the US and UK into lesbians and bisexuals? Holy shit! I had _no idea_ she had such power! It’s like the loaves and fishes miracle but with libido! If that was the case, it would probably take Russell Brand, four nights and a crate load of viagra to turn them all straight again. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/305 "2012-04-10T05:02:38Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Why are you people engaging this…person? It’s Spring Break - why are you biting? > > DFTT this. I can’t believe so many people are spending so much time here. Does anyone still think there is a discussion of value to be had? Maybe you guys want to talk to my brother in law about job creators. ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/306 "2012-04-10T06:57:25Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > this. > I can’t believe so many people are spending so much time here. Does anyone still think there is a discussion of value to be had? No, but this guy, this whole discussion, is hilarious. > [@Ulfreida](#): > > Maybe you guys want to talk to my brother in law about job creators. I kind of think that would not be funny at all. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/307 "2012-04-10T07:09:37Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > I’ll say. If I listen to the Who, will I become a Pinball Wizard? And if I listen to Elton John’s version, will I become a _gay_ Pinball Wizard? > > Instead, I’ll listen to Simon and Garfunkel. [I Am a Rock](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My9I8q-iJCI). Well, I have to admit, when I heard the song, I wanted to become a Pinball Wizard, but I had already been fascinated by pinball and other arcade games before I’d heard the song. It never changed my sexual orientation, no matter which version I listened to, though. I’m still not interested in having sex with girls/women. But now I have an urge to dig out _Tommy_ and watch it again. And even if I watch _Acid Queen_ again, I’m not gonna get the desire to shoot up. I do envy Tina’s dress in that scene, though. And her legs. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/308 "2012-04-10T07:47:30Z")
> [@Namkcalb](#): > > I wrote exactly what I intended to write. You don’t really think the Gay4Pay “lesbians” in porn are real. I thought that might be the case, but the chance of a mix-up was too high to risk it. In any case, I don’t know any Japanese lesbians. Zannen. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/309 "2012-04-10T08:56:05Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Hell, I’ve had sexual fantasies in which I was the man! Does that make me a man? Oh no, wait, it makes me a lesbian, because I am fantasizing about women. 🙂 Er…right? Given that I once had a dream where I was a guy and I was getting it on with another guy, apparently I’m a transexual gay man. Then again, I’ve also had dreams where I was flying “without prosthetics”, yet I’m reasonably sure I’m not a seagull. ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/310 "2012-04-10T09:53:10Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > In any case, I don’t know any Japanese lesbians. Zannen. delete ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/311 "2012-04-10T10:00:25Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > He stated earlier he’s not using a computer. I’m guessing he’s posting from a smart phone or something. Exactly ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/312 "2012-04-10T10:11:28Z")
> [@njtt](#): > > No, but this guy, this whole discussion, is hilarious. > I kind of think that would not be funny at all. You still never proved me wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/313 "2012-04-10T10:17:40Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Errr… .well, OK, my best girl friend _is_ bisexual (although she’s never had sex with a woman) but that was LONG before this Katy Perry person. But I’m not. Definitely a Kinsey 0, total heterosexual. > Yeah? Back when I was young and dating I used to run into men who’d assume that I’d be willing to do another woman in a threesome for him because, you know, _all women are bi_ but it wasn’t true then and it isn’t true now. > > I agree with the folks who say you should stop watching so much porn. And try to meet women places other than clubs, you might find women who aren’t gold-digging bitches. > Excuse me? You’re saying that _Katy Perry_ turned 90% of the young women in the US and UK into lesbians and bisexuals? Holy shit! I had _no idea_ she had such power! It’s like the loaves and fishes miracle but with libido! So out of all your friends you are the only straight woman you know? You further proved my point ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/314 "2012-04-10T10:57:08Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > So out of all your friends you are the only straight woman you know? You further proved my point No, every female friend of relative she has, except one, is straight. You seriously have a comprehension problem. ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/315 "2012-04-10T11:02:01Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > You seriously have a comprehension problem. Don’t criticise him, there’s nothing wrong with a low income guy getting an escort. _Edit: Wrong thread, it seems so close._ ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/316 "2012-04-10T11:03:22Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > In any case, I don’t know any Japanese lesbians. Zannen. Bishonen are close enough. I wouldn’t call a man gay for fantasing about Gackt ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/317 "2012-04-10T11:11:35Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > No, every female friend of relative she has, except one, is straight. > > You seriously have a comprehension problem. No, you said all women were thought to be bi then as well. There must have been a reason for that also. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/318 "2012-04-10T11:13:24Z")
I almost hate to part with one of the pearls of wisdom which mature men achieve, but listen to this, Fred. Girls have a sense of humour. To a great number of young women, there is nothing funnier than fucking with the mind of a sexually immature young man. They will cheerfully and with a straight face lie to you about their sexual orientation or activities just to see your head explode. As you develop more personal confidence (and I do not mean swagger, but actual self-esteem) you wil find far greater numbers of women willing to go to bed with you. Chicks love confidence. While I am at it, women will have sex with individuals. You need to be the right person, not just available and desperate. This is very different from how young men approach sexual encounters, so you need to adjust your approach. And finally, as has been said already, sexual orientation, sexual identity and sexual activities do not always map directly to each other. Once you learn to see “girls” as individuals instead of some type of generic hive mind you will start getting laid. (I must be getting soft; he has either played me for a fool or this kid just brought out my inner Dutch Uncle.) ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/319 "2012-04-10T11:17:35Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > I almost hate to part with one of the pearls of wisdom which mature men achieve, but listen to this, Fred. > Girls have a sense of humour. To a great number of young women, there is nothing funnier than fucking with the mind of a sexually immature young man. They will cheerfully and with a straight face lie to you about their sexual orientation or activities just to see your head explode. > As you develop more personal confidence (and I do not mean swagger, but actual self-esteem) you wil find far greater numbers of women willing to go to bed with you. Chicks love confidence. > > While I am at it, women will have sex with individuals. You need to be the right person, not just available and desperate. This is very different from how young men approach sexual encounters, so you need to adjust your approach. > And finally, as has been said already, sexual orientation, sexual identity and sexual activities do not always map directly to each other. Once you learn to see “girls” as individuals instead of some type of generic hive mind you will start getting laid. > > (I must be getting soft; he has either played me for a fool or this kid just brought out my inner Dutch Uncle.) Lying to me about orientation to scare me away is far different than them all have les relationships, so your point is mute. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/320 "2012-04-10T11:19:33Z")
“Moot.” A point can be moot. Not “mute,” which means voiceless. M-O-O as in a cow’s opinion. And I contend that they are lying to fuck with yoru head, not to scare you away. A subtle difference. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/321 "2012-04-10T11:25:10Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > So out of all your friends you are the only straight woman you know? You further proved my point No, hon - I said my _best friend_ is bi, not _all my friends are bi_. I’d say she was one of the very few of my friends in my lifetime who came out as bi or lesbian. Maybe three or four of my friends have told me they’re lesbian, bi, or gay in my lifetime out of hundreds of people I’ve known and could describe as a friend on some level - which is pretty close to the low percentages quoted by others. Please try to keep up. Or ask your smartphone to explain it to you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227.md?page=17)