# Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 9, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227 "2012-04-09T03:54:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/322 "2012-04-10T11:35:48Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > “Moot.” A point can be moot. Not “mute,” which means voiceless. > M-O-O as in a cow’s opinion > > And I contend that they are lying to fuck with yoru head, not to scare you away. A subtle difference. They date, have sex, kiss, and anything couples would do. Doesn’t seem like a lie to me. Unless you agree now that girls do this and are st I’ll heterosexual since all girls ate bi in the first place so for them bi is the real straight ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/323 "2012-04-10T11:37:23Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > No, hon - I said my _best friend_ is bi, not _all my friends are bi_. I’d say she was one of the very few of my friends in my lifetime who came out as bi or lesbian. Maybe three or four of my friends have told me they’re lesbian, bi, or gay in my lifetime out of hundreds of people I’ve known and could describe as a friend on some level - which is pretty close to the low percentages quoted by others. Please try to keep up. Or ask your smartphone to explain it to you. You missed my earlier post. They may have claimed straight but also were bicurious or had dated girls in the past or were bi in the past. Also, if it wasn’t for all girls being bi where would this stereotype come from in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/324 "2012-04-10T13:10:31Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > No, you said all women were thought to be bi then as well. There must have been a reason for that also. Me? I have the post about seagulls, and the one you responded to. Who did you think you were talking to? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/325 "2012-04-10T13:13:54Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > You missed my earlier post. They may have claimed straight but also were bicurious or had dated girls in the past or were bi in the past. Alright, let’s just limit it to friends and family I’ve known more than 30 years (you know, longer than you’ve been alive). Hmmm… out of the 40 or so females I know that fall into that category 2 were definite lesbians (oldest sister, college friend). 2 are bi (best friend, casual friend). The rest have never expressed an interest in women within my hearing, have never demonstrated any form of sexual activity with women within my sight, have never dated any women, and therefore I conclude they are straight. As to their private fantasies, they’ve kept them private. I suppose you could say “But - but - they might not have told you they might be doing other women when you can’t see it they might have dated someone you don’t know about …” etc. etc. but hey, you could equally argue they’re screwing goats in secret, or carve zucchini into little pagan idols and bury them in the yard without anyone’s knowledge. You keep claiming that all these girls are groping each other in public. Really? The only lesbians I currently spend significant time with, my current boss and her partner of 28 years, don’t do this. Hell, I’ve never so much have seen them _hold hands_ with each other in public and they’re long-term lesbians and completely out of the closet. Then again, maybe they’ve succumbed to that “lesbian bed death” thing after being a “married” couple for so long. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/326 "2012-04-10T13:20:07Z")
I for one find it interesting that the OP argues that lesbian women are _more_ attractive than heterosexuals, in direct contravention of every stereotype i’ve ever heard. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/327 "2012-04-10T13:41:39Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > I almost hate to part with one of the pearls of wisdom which mature men achieve, but listen to this, Fred. > Girls have a sense of humour. To a great number of young women, there is nothing funnier than fucking with the mind of a sexually immature young man. They will cheerfully and with a straight face lie to you about their sexual orientation or activities just to see your head explode. > As you develop more personal confidence (and I do not mean swagger, but actual self-esteem) you wil find far greater numbers of women willing to go to bed with you. Chicks love confidence. > > While I am at it, women will have sex with individuals. You need to be the right person, not just available and desperate. This is very different from how young men approach sexual encounters, so you need to adjust your approach. > And finally, as has been said already, sexual orientation, sexual identity and sexual activities do not always map directly to each other. Once you learn to see “girls” as individuals instead of some type of generic hive mind you will start getting laid. > > (I must be getting soft; he has either played me for a fool or this kid just brought out my inner Dutch Uncle.) Of course you realize that you’ve just put yourself on the hitlist of every female. How are we gonna have fun if you give away our secret recipes to making males’ heads explode? ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/328 "2012-04-10T13:44:44Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Me? I have the post about seagulls, and the one you responded to. > > Who did you think you were talking to? Sorry, wrong person. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/329 "2012-04-10T13:48:44Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Alright, let’s just limit it to friends and family I’ve known more than 30 years (you know, longer than you’ve been alive). > > Hmmm… out of the 40 or so females I know that fall into that category 2 were definite lesbians (oldest sister, college friend). 2 are bi (best friend, casual friend). The rest have never expressed an interest in women within my hearing, have never demonstrated any form of sexual activity with women within my sight, have never dated any women, and therefore I conclude they are straight. As to their private fantasies, they’ve kept them private. > > I suppose you could say “But - but - they might not have told you they might be doing other women when you can’t see it they might have dated someone you don’t know about …” etc. etc. but hey, you could equally argue they’re screwing goats in secret, or carve zucchini into little pagan idols and bury them in the yard without anyone’s knowledge. > > You keep claiming that all these girls are groping each other in public. Really? The only lesbians I currently spend significant time with, my current boss and her partner of 28 years, don’t do this. Hell, I’ve never so much have seen them _hold hands_ with each other in public and they’re long-term lesbians and completely out of the closet. Then again, maybe they’ve succumbed to that “lesbian bed death” thing after being a “married” couple for so long. :rolleyes: And herein lies my point…you are much older then I am, I’m guessing over 45, so your generation of women is far more heterosexual than my own. At school, all the lesbians are all over each other holding hands and even making out on campus. To be honest it is. Very tiring knowing they are more open about their sexuality than heterosexual couples. My generation of girls are all bi. Yours isn’t. I think for ages 40 and below the rates are really, really high. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/330 "2012-04-10T13:52:27Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I for one find it interesting that the OP argues that lesbian women are _more_ attractive than heterosexuals, in direct contravention of every stereotype i’ve ever heard. And again, your gen is different from mine. In mine, bi girls and lesbians are suppose do be attractive and at my age they are. Belowjob’s experience is very telling that the most attractive women are usually bi or curious. He proves my point. And no, I’m not into bi women either as I’d much rather a heterosexual woman who isn’t into girls, but obviously at my age you won 't find that. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/331 "2012-04-10T13:55:51Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > And again, your gen is different from mine. In mine, bi girls and lesbians are suppose do be attractive and at my age they are. Belowjob’s experience is very telling that the most attractive women are usually bi or curious. He proves my point. > > And no, I’m not into bi women either as I’d much rather a heterosexual woman who isn’t into girls, but obviously at my age you won 't find that. Yeah, you will. One of the most attractive women around your age that I know has never so much as kissed a girl, and was rather put off by the idea. The poll I’m doing now suggests that there are indeed a preponderance of such women under 30, a good slice of whom, by law of averages, are probably hot. So, hey. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/332 "2012-04-10T14:06:45Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > Yeah, you will. One of the most attractive women around your age that I know has never so much as kissed a girl, and was rather put off by the idea. The poll I’m doing now suggests that there are indeed a preponderance of such women under 30, a good slice of whom, by law of averages, are probably hot. So, hey. Let’s see this poll…if it’s an internet poll don’t bother, since it was already said earlier that Internet polls aren’t valid for anything. Besides, just because yor friend hasn’t kissed a girl doesn’t mean she won’t or doesn’t want to. Besides, I’m not saying I care anymore really, I’m used to it. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/333 "2012-04-10T14:13:07Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Let’s see this poll…if it’s an internet poll don’t bother, since it was already said earlier that Internet polls aren’t valid for anything. Besides, just because yor friend hasn’t kissed a girl doesn’t mean she won’t or doesn’t want to. > > Besides, I’m not saying I care anymore really, I’m used to it. Dude, you’re a college kid posting based on…what? Nothing you’re saying is valid in the slightest by that standard. That, and if a girl wants to kiss a girl these days, she goes and kisses a girl. It’s just that easy. Trust me, I know me some ugly women who have not one bit of trouble getting some distaff dirtiness. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/334 "2012-04-10T14:16:35Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > And herein lies my point…you are much older then I am, I’m guessing over 45, so your generation of women is far more heterosexual than my own. So, you’re saying, after the entire length of human history most women being heterosexual suddenly, in your generation, that has entirely flipped to most being lesbian? What, exactly, do you think the cause of that is? > [@](#): > > At school, all the lesbians are all over each other **holding hands** and even making out on campus. Holding hands is now a sexual act? Are you _serious?_ You’ve just declared every parent who hands the hand of their toddler to be an incestuous pedophile. If you hold your own hand are are masturbating? Men who shake hands are now engaged in a homosexual act? Maybe you should step back and think about this about more. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/335 "2012-04-10T14:19:43Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > Dude, you’re a college kid posting based on…what? Nothing you’re saying is valid in the slightest by that standard. > > That, and if a girl wants to kiss a girl these days, she goes and kisses a girl. It’s just that easy. Trust me, I know me some ugly women who have not one bit of trouble getting some distaff dirtiness. I’m guessing you just entered this thread. Look at my earlier posts for evidence. And exactly, it is just that easy dice all girls are bi these days basically ny girl could just walk up to another girl cand kiss her. It’s just that easy. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/336 "2012-04-10T14:21:39Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > So, you’re saying, after the entire length of human history most women being heterosexual suddenly, in your generation, that has entirely flipped to most being lesbian? What, exactly, do you think the cause of that is? To be fair, there’s actually something to that. In past generations, approaching another woman sexually was inviting ostracism and worse. Today, young women do in fact make out all the time. Every woman I’ve ever dated has been hit on by other women. I doubt that someone in my parents’ generation could say the same. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/337 "2012-04-10T14:23:56Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > I’m guessing you just entered this thread. Look at my earlier posts for evidence. And exactly, it is just that easy dice all girls are bi these days basically ny girl could just walk up to another girl cand kiss her. It’s just that easy. Dude, all you’ve been doing is looking around. That’s not evidence. And, yes, I do know some women who wouldn’t take too damn kindly to your gf kissing them without permission. These women include full-out lesbians as well. It’s easy, but it’s not that easy. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/338 "2012-04-10T14:23:56Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > And herein lies my point Aye, the legends tell of a point to this thread. But no man has ever seen it and lived to tell the tale. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/339 "2012-04-10T14:24:26Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > I’m guessing you just entered this thread. Look at my earlier posts for evidence. And exactly, it is just that easy dice all girls are bi these days basically ny girl could just walk up to another girl cand kiss her. It’s just that easy. Your earlier posts aren’t evidence of anything except that you’re delusional. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/340 "2012-04-10T14:24:23Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > So, you’re saying, after the entire length of human history most women being heterosexual suddenly, in your generation, that has entirely flipped to most being lesbian? What, exactly, do you think the cause of that is? > Holding hands is now a sexual act? Are you _serious?_ You’ve just declared every parent who hands the hand of their toddler to be an incestuous pedophile. If you hold your own hand are are masturbating? Men who shake hands are now engaged in a homosexual act? Maybe you should step back and think about this about more. Maybe most women have never been heterosexual. I made that point earlier. The cause for the so called change was Madonna and Brittney kissing as well as Katy Perry. Let me ask, you don’t know my generation correct? So why do you think you know what I’m talking about? Women holding hands as friends is far far different from all these women here making out in public and groping, and no I’m not kidding. Unless you say nthat heterosexual women in your time were also making out with each other and groping just like a lesbian couple when you were on your way to class. And at this point after Belowjob’s story I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if you said yes to this question. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/341 "2012-04-10T14:27:08Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > To be fair, there’s actually something to that. In past generations, approaching another woman sexually was inviting ostracism and worse. Today, young women do in fact make out all the time. Every woman I’ve ever dated has been hit on by other women. I doubt that someone in my parents’ generation could say the same. You proved my point. So all of your girlfriends have been bi and the women you know have all made out with other women correct? Thanks for proving my point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227.md?page=18)