# Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 9, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227 "2012-04-09T03:54:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/21 "2012-04-09T05:03:56Z")
Captain, it appears that a communications portal to the porniverse has opened.\ ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/22 "2012-04-09T05:07:07Z")
> [@Jaledin](#): > > "d acting [sic]? douche-acting? Dp-acting? Why don’t you open a thread asking others to analyze you (_hint_, you’d be the analysand)? What is your question, why is it in GQ, and where in the inbred Ozarks do you live where nice-looking chicks after dicks don’t exist? > > Are you looking for advice on how to talk to womyn? Pro tip: ball gag after getting to know you chat. Serious, what’s the prob? I’m asking if straight women are generally uglier. I live in Miami, the land of lezzies and bi girls. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/23 "2012-04-09T05:08:23Z")
> [@njtt](#): > > Captain, it appears that a communications portal to the porniverse has opened.\ I don’t watch porn “Spock” ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/24 "2012-04-09T05:12:49Z")
> [@Gary\_T](#): > > Ah, dear **Fred** , welcome to the Straight Dope, note that we deal in facts, and please understand that just saying “real life” won’t do. **Silophant, beowulff, boytyperanma, Tamex,** and I are all gently suggesting that OUR experience of real life – which I suspect is several times longer than yours for each of us – is quite different from what you maintain is yours. **Jenaroph** is kindly providing a cite from a well-known research institute. So while it’s possible (though I suspect quite unlikely) that 90% of the women you know are not straight, making statements like “I…know that nearly all girls are bi/bicurious/lesbian(90%)…,” [underlining mine] when in fact you do NOT _ **KNOW** _ this, and in fact it’s nowhere remotely close to true for _ **ALL** _ women, does not fly here. We want to see respectable cites for your contentions. Otherwise, please forgive us as we call “bullshit” on what you’re saying. > > 2005, which can be plainly seen in the part quoted. > > Reversed? REVERSED?? You gotta be kidding me. You’ve got a lot to learn, friend. College boys spouting horsecrap about things sexual is not where to learn it from. I also think you’re using a much too broad definition of non-straight here. I didn’t see the year sorry. I’m guessing since your older the women are “more heterosexual”? Really younger women my age are as I described. You’re right my experience isn’t everything though. ---
**Author:** ![Jaledin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Jaledin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaledin)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/25 "2012-04-09T05:18:14Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > I’m asking if straight women are generally uglier. I live in Miami, the land of lezzies and bi girls. Thanks for the clarification. The cities I’ve spent most of my adult life in are NYC, Paris, FR, and PDX – maybe you need a change of climate unless you’re a LOW-active circuit. ---
**Author:** ![supergirl123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/db5fbb/32.png) [@supergirl123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supergirl123)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/26 "2012-04-09T05:22:25Z")
This thread is laughable. I’m a straight female, who according to the author of this thread, is in the minority. I am with men NOT because I’m not ''atttactive enough to get a girl" but I am not interested in females in any way. I like REAL men. Not men who from the sounds of it spend way too much time consumimg porn and have a false sense of reality regarding womens sexuality. BTW: Most of the lesbians and bi-sexuals that I know of and see, are NOT even atttactive! ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_T](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Gary\_T](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_T)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/27 "2012-04-09T05:22:37Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > I’m asking if straight women are generally uglier. In my experience, no. I’ve seen the whole range of attractiveness in both the straight women I’ve known and the lesbian women I’ve known. If there’s any difference in proportion of attractiveness, I’d lean toward saying straight women might be prettier. > [@](#): > > I’m guessing since your older the women are “more heterosexual”? Really younger women my age are as I described. It may be that the age range and overall environment of the women you’re exposed to is such that they’re prone to thinking and talking this stuff more than most of the women I’ve known. I can’t help but believe, though, that when their personalities firm up a bit in a few years that statistically they’ll pretty much fit into the same patterns that have been observed for the many decades that this area has been studied. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/28 "2012-04-09T05:25:22Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Really younger women my age are as I described. No, they aren’t. You might think that based on a few experiences you’ve had (like seeing a couple of girls kiss each other to get guys to pay attention), but it’s absolutely not true. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/29 "2012-04-09T05:25:46Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > I’m asking if straight women are generally uglier. I live in Miami, the land of lezzies and bi girls. No, the land of young, pretty women who kiss other young pretty women so that men will buy them drinks. Hardly unique to Miami of course, but admittedly prevalent there. As you get older, you’ll realize that “kiss my hot friend to attract the attention of the boys” isn’t actually the same thing as “bi or bi-curious”. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/30 "2012-04-09T05:29:01Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Ok. And my sorurces are real life. All 14 of your years on Earth? Impressive resume, freshman! ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/31 "2012-04-09T05:29:30Z")
> [@Jaledin](#): > > Thanks for the clarification. The cities I’ve spent most of my adult life in are NYC, Paris, FR, and PDX – maybe you need a change of climate unless you’re a LOW-active circuit. What’s FR and PDX? ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/32 "2012-04-09T05:30:31Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > All 14 of your years on Earth? Impressive resume, freshman! I’m 24. I didn’t think this question would beso offensive, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/33 "2012-04-09T05:31:32Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > No, the land of young, pretty women who kiss other young pretty women so that men will buy them drinks. Hardly unique to Miami of course, but admittedly prevalent there. As you get older, you’ll realize that “kiss my hot friend to attract the attention of the boys” isn’t actually the same thing as “bi or bi-curious”. Are you in Miami? ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/34 "2012-04-09T05:32:05Z")
Not to support the OP in any way, but for some reason 90% of the women I’ve had sex with _have_ been bi-sexual. I suspect it has a lot more to do with me than anything applicable to the general public. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/35 "2012-04-09T05:32:58Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > Are you in Miami? Not at this particular moment, but I’ve spent time there. Have you been many other places? ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/36 "2012-04-09T05:39:11Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Not at this particular moment, but I’ve spent time there. Have you been many other places? No and when we’re you there? ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/37 "2012-04-09T05:54:03Z")
I’m guessing Fred13’s talking about the club scene and the dating habits of teens and twenty somethings. I get what he’s saying - the glamorous life among the AMW’s (actress/model/whatever) in Hollywood is similar to what Fred describes. My experience has been that any of these women will date a man if the man is high status/good looking/charming enough. Even self identified lesbians will occasionally hook up with a guy if they think he’s hot. But most men aren’t high status. And men, on average, are uglier than women. (Too lazy to find a cite right now.) My impression, though I never seen data to support it, is that the best looking men are often gay. So straight girls in this millieu will compete with each other to date a few high status, good looking men. In the interim, they’re down for casual flings with other girls, because girls are prettier, smell nicer, and many girls who’ve been with both say sex with girls is better. But this is a micro phenomenon of the decadent metropole. Most of these bi girls will settle down with a man once their wild days are over. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/38 "2012-04-09T05:55:19Z")
We’re too busy having pillow fights to answer your questions. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/40 "2012-04-09T06:08:19Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > I’m 24. I didn’t think this question would be so offensive, sorry. It’s not really offensive. It’s too ignorant and ill-informed to be offensive. Sort of like when your 5-year-old asks how babies are made. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/41 "2012-04-09T06:11:16Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > My experience has been that any of these women will date a man if the man is high status/good looking/charming enough. Even self identified lesbians will occasionally hook up with a guy if they think he’s hot. > > But most men aren’t high status. And men, on average, are uglier than women. (Too lazy to find a cite right now.) My impression, though I never seen data to support it, is that the best looking men are often gay. > > So straight girls in this millieu will compete with each other to date a few high status, good looking men. In the interim, they’re down for casual flings with other girls, because girls are prettier, smell nicer, and many girls who’ve been with both say sex with girls is better. I’m trying to think whether i’ve ever read a less convincing, more ridiculous “analysis” of a social and cultural issue. Thinking. Thinking. Thinking. Nope. You take the prize. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227.md?page=3)