# Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 9, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227 "2012-04-09T03:54:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/42 "2012-04-09T06:11:58Z")
In Jay McInnerney’s novel, [Bright Lights, Big City](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_Lights,_Big_City_%28novel%29) the main character, an Ivy league writer type, has married a stunning small town Kansas girl and moved with her to NYC. As her modeling career takes off, and she gets more and more caught up in the world of high fashion, they break up. It’s hinted that part of her transformation, along with the cocaine, is having sexual flings with other girls. In one scene, the main character goes into the ladies room at a club in search of coke that he’s sure his club hopping companions are doing in a stall. But these ladies, both friends and coworkers of his ex wife, are eating each other out in the stall. Coke may still have been involved in their bathroom hookup. They may have gone in for the coke, but they stayed to eat pussy. McInnerney wasn’t making up this stuff out of whole cloth. It was part of the club scene he observed in the early '80’s. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/43 "2012-04-09T06:14:58Z")
> [@Fred13](#): > > I’m 24. I didn’t think this question would beso offensive, sorry. You couldn’t offend me if you tried. But your posting style is that of a teenager. Just an observation. It sounds like you haven’t really been around and you’re basing your knowledge/opinions on the few places you’ve been too. 7 billion on the planet and most haven’t been in the clubs you go too. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/44 "2012-04-09T06:16:41Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I’m trying to think whether i’ve ever read a less convincing, more ridiculous “analysis” of a social and cultural issue. > > Thinking. > > Thinking. > > Thinking. > > Nope. You take the prize. Argument from ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/45 "2012-04-09T06:17:46Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Argument from ignorance. Thanks for identifying your style for us. ETA: Wow, one character in a novel supports your asinine “argument.” Well, color me convinced! You must be right. ---
**Author:** ![iftheresaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ecae2f/32.png) [@iftheresaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iftheresaway)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/46 "2012-04-09T06:17:54Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > It’s not really offensive. It’s too ignorant and ill-informed to be offensive. Sort of like when your 5-year-old asks how babies are made. Whoa, now. Let’s be real. 5-year-olds ask questions about where babies come from out of honest ignorance, and based on real observations about the world. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/47 "2012-04-09T06:19:48Z")
> [@iftheresaway](#): > > Whoa, now. Let’s be real. 5-year-olds ask questions about where babies come from out of honest ignorance, and based on real observations about the world. Right, but i’m giving the OP the benefit of the doubt. He _could_ be honestly ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/48 "2012-04-09T06:23:36Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > My sources are actual research. > > [ > > Also, some purely anecdotal evidence to consider: > > [URL=“[http://www.angelinajolieweb.org/angelina-jolie-pics/](http://www.angelinajolieweb.org/angelina-jolie-pics/)”]Straight.]([http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/FAQ.html#homosexuality](http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/FAQ.html#homosexuality)) > > [Gay.](http://www.people.com/people/rosie_odonnell/0,,,00.html) Angelina Jolie, as Fred13 notes, has had long time female lovers, coterminous with her relationship with Brad Pitt. Drew Barrymore admits to hooking up with girls on occasion. If you’re really interested in this whole scene in Hollywood, [Full Service](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093684/The-truth-hurt-anymore-How-1940s-U-S-Marine-turned-rent-boy-slept-Hollywoods-elite-threesomes-Edward-Wallis.html) gives a detailed account of mid century Hollywood morays. The same stuff is still going on today. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/49 "2012-04-09T06:31:05Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Angelina Jolie, as Fred13 notes, has had long time female lovers, coterminous with her relationship with Brad Pitt. Drew Barrymore admits to hooking up with girls on occasion. > > If you’re really interested in this whole scene in Hollywood, [Full Service](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093684/The-truth-hurt-anymore-How-1940s-U-S-Marine-turned-rent-boy-slept-Hollywoods-elite-threesomes-Edward-Wallis.html) gives a detailed account of mid century Hollywood morays. The same stuff is still going on today. Well to be fair Angelina Jolie didn’t have lesbian affairs while with Brad Pitt. It was before. The rest I agree with. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/50 "2012-04-09T06:31:55Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Thanks for identifying your style for us. > > ETA: Wow, one character in a novel supports your asinine “argument.” Well, color me convinced! You must be right. Your responses tell me you don’t know anything about the millieu I’m referring to. Maybe you have to see it to believe it, and since you’re not likely to have the opportunity, I guess you’ll remain unconvinced. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/51 "2012-04-09T06:37:31Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Right, but i’m giving the OP the benefit of the doubt. He _could_ be honestly ignorant. How am I ignorant? ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/52 "2012-04-09T06:40:39Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > We’re too busy having pillow fights to answer your questions. Wow…although you’re ca Long me ignorant you haven’t disproven Beowulf at all yet. He makes great points. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/53 "2012-04-09T06:44:35Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Your responses tell me you don’t know anything about the millieu I’m referring to. Maybe you have to see it to believe it, and since you’re not likely to have the opportunity, I guess you’ll remain unconvinced. I could explain to you why your “analysis” and “argument” are so ridiculous, but this post suggests that you wouldn’t even understand it, so i’ll spare you the brainache. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/54 "2012-04-09T06:45:40Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I could explain to you why your “analysis” and “argument” are so ridiculous, but this post suggests that you wouldn’t even understand it, so i’ll spare you the brainache. Give it shot, sparky. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/55 "2012-04-09T06:46:09Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > In Jay McInnerney’s novel, [Bright Lights, Big City](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_Lights,_Big_City_%28novel%29) the main character, an Ivy league writer type, has married a stunning small town Kansas girl and moved with her to NYC. As her modeling career takes off, and she gets more and more caught up in the world of high fashion, they break up. It’s hinted that part of her transformation, along with the cocaine, is having sexual flings with other girls. > > In one scene, the main character goes into the ladies room at a club in search of coke that he’s sure his club hopping companions are doing in a stall. But these ladies, both friends and coworkers of his ex wife, are eating each other out in the stall. Coke may still have been involved in their bathroom hookup. They may have gone in for the coke, but they stayed to eat pussy. > > McInnerney wasn’t making up this stuff out of whole cloth. It was part of the club scene he observed in the early '80’s. I looked at the details of the book, he did say the lesbian fear was irrational, although everything else you said was spot on. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/56 "2012-04-09T06:47:31Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I could explain to you why your “analysis” and “argument” are so ridiculous, but this post suggests that you wouldn’t even understand it, so i’ll spare you the brainache. Explain then please because I’d like to hear it, seriously. His analysis seems correct and I think men should be scared that all there women are doing this now. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/57 "2012-04-09T06:49:52Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I could explain to you why your “analysis” and “argument” are so ridiculous, but this post suggests that you wouldn’t even understand it, so i’ll spare you the brainache. Explain then please, seriously. His analysis is spot on and I honk this proves men should worry about women cheating with women just as much as with men. That’s a ridiculous story. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/58 "2012-04-09T06:51:41Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Give it shot, sparky. No. I made a mistake by even addressing your “argument” in the first place. On this issue (i don’t know about other subjects), you’re clearly one of those “I’ve seen a couple of things so my experience must be universally true” sort of debaters. Impossible to convince with actual evidence and reason. I’ll leave you to your ridiculous generalizations from your own narrow and limited experience. Have fun. **Fred13** , the fact that you refer to women as “there women,” indicating both a belief that men possess women, and also an ignorance of correct usage, tells me about as much as i need to know about your understanding of this issue. Before you go to bed, look up the difference between “there” and their"; at least then you might get something out of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/59 "2012-04-09T06:59:28Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > No. I made a mistake by even addressing your “argument” in the first place. > > On this issue (i don’t know about other subjects), you’re clearly one of those “I’ve seen a couple of things so my experience must be universally true” sort of debaters. Impossible to convince with actual evidence and reason. I’ll leave you to your ridiculous generalizations from your own narrow and limited experience. Have fun. > > **Fred13** , the fact that you refer to women as “there women,” indicating both a belief that men possess women, and also an ignorance of correct usage, tells me about as much as i need to know about your understanding of this issue. Before you go to bed, look up the difference between “there” and their"; at least then you might get something out of this thread. I meant that “there are” women. I’m not on a computer so grammar isn’t a big concern right now. Anyway, you keep saying you could prove him Wrong so prove him wrong. He’s not even using his own experiences now but articles and books, so this is legitimate. Show me this evidence of yours. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/60 "2012-04-09T07:00:12Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > No. I made a mistake by even addressing your “argument” in the first place. > > On this issue (i don’t know about other subjects), you’re clearly one of those “I’ve seen a couple of things so my experience must be universally true” sort of debaters. Impossible to convince with actual evidence and reason. I’ll leave you to your ridiculous generalizations from your own narrow and limited experience. Have fun. > > **Fred13** , the fact that you refer to women as “there women,” indicating both a belief that men possess women, and also an ignorance of correct usage, tells me about as much as i need to know about your understanding of this issue. Before you go to bed, look up the difference between “there” and their"; at least then you might get something out of this thread. I never made an argument about universality. In fact, I made the opposite argument, that this was a limited phenomenon, found only in certain places and among certain specific types of people. ---
**Author:** ![Fred13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc79bd/32.png) [@Fred13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred13)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/61 "2012-04-09T07:37:19Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > I never made an argument about universality. In fact, I made the opposite argument, that this was a limited phenomenon, found only in certain places and among certain specific types of people. I don’t think he has anything for you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227.md?page=4)