# Are the Borg dead? (Star Trek: Voyager)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion
**Created:** [July 13, 2001, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349 "2001-07-13T08:23:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Str8\_Dope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Str8_Dope)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2001, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/1 "2001-07-13T08:23:19Z")
In the final episode of Star Trek: Voyager, the Borg Queen apparently dies after the Hive Mind is infected with a virus created by the Voyager crew. I’m assuming that the Borg only have one Queen, and that the infection spells the end of all Borg everywhere. Is this correct? If not, what happened?
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### Author:  [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2001, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/2 "2001-07-13T09:54:51Z")
I didn’t see that episode, so I could be way off base, but you remember that a Borg queen died at the end of the motion picture _Star Trek: First Contact_, right?
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### Author:  [@pluto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pluto)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2001, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/3 "2001-07-13T09:57:45Z")
Remember the Borg are subject only to the laws of television physics. The Federation could hunt down every last queen, drone, whatever, and blast them to atoms and the could still re-emerge if they were needed to help a struggling storyline.
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### Author:  [@BooBoo316](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BooBoo316)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2001, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/4 "2001-07-13T10:00:07Z")
Are you kidding? This is _Star Trek_. Nobody dies forever.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2001, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/5 "2001-07-13T11:38:42Z")
Also, in _Enterprise_ the new villian, the Suliban, are taking orders from a shadowy figure from the future, so seeing the Borg in the new show shouldn’t be out of the question.
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### Author:  [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2001, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/6 "2001-07-13T12:58:44Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Mr. Blue Sky \*
> \*\*Also, in _Enterprise_ the new villian, the Suliban, are taking orders from a shadowy figure from the future, so seeing the Borg in the new show shouldn’t be out of the question. \*\*
Arrrrgghhhhh!!! MARC SMASH!!
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### Author:  [@SirRay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirRay)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2001, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/7 "2001-07-13T13:14:54Z")
Dang - it’s not even release yet, and they’re relying on a ‘Time Travel’ plot crutch already???
Call in that time-line fixer from the 29th century, will ya!
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### Author:  [@John\_Kentzel-Griffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Kentzel-Griffin)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2001, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/8 "2001-07-13T13:15:38Z")
No the borg are not dead! Star Trek takes place in the _future_. Janeway hasn’t even been born yet.
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### Author:  [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2001, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/9 "2001-07-13T13:32:15Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Mr. Blue Sky \*
> \*\*Also, in _Enterprise_ the new villian, the Suliban, are taking orders from a shadowy figure from the future, so seeing the Borg in the new show shouldn’t be out of the question. \*\*
Oh, I really hope that this is BS. You know what this leaves the door open for right? Enterprise, TNG, DS9, and Voyager crossovers.
Just goes to show you that nothing is done for the sake of art anymore. It’s all about the money.
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### Author:  [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2001, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/10 "2001-07-13T13:42:25Z")
I got the impression that there are multiple Borg queens.
In the final Voyager episode they mention that the transwarp gate was one of 6(?) known in the Galaxy. I figured a queen was responsible for her transwarp gate and all the Borg she could produce.
Killing her and destroying the transwarp gate was a pretty big blow to the Borg but not the end of them.
You’d think with the Federation constantly getting the better of the Borg the Borg might start to get worried and launch an all out massive attack to get rid of the Federation. Given that just a few Borg cubes rocked the Federation’s universe one would think a concerted attack by the Borg woul lay the Feds to rest.
Of course, as others have pointed out, as long as there is money to be made such things could never happen. The Borg must be getting kickbacks or residules or something.
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### Author:  [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2001, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/11 "2001-07-13T14:38:11Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Mr. Blue Sky \*
> \*\*Also, in _Enterprise_ the new villian, the Suliban, are taking orders from a shadowy figure from the future, so seeing the Borg in the new show shouldn’t be out of the question. \*\*
It would take some fancy writing, though, or at least some tacky alternate-timeline crap. The Federation didn’t even know about the Borg at the time when Q forcibly introduced Picard and the D crew to them.
Anyway, they’ve been worked over pretty well by now, and it’s time for a new villain race on the new show.
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### Author:  [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2001, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/12 "2001-07-13T15:32:37Z")
Judging by the degree to which they stank on _Voyager_, I’d say they’ve been dead for some time.
I really hope they leave the time-travel out of _Enterprise_.
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### Author:  [@Enola\_Straight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Straight)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2001, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/13 "2001-07-13T15:47:05Z")
As long as a single nano-probe exists to infect a living host, the borg lives.
ALL YOUR SMURF BELONGS TO SMURF
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### Author:  [@Str8\_Dope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Str8_Dope)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2001, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/14 "2001-07-13T17:54:17Z")
I’ve just recently began watching the Voyager reruns that are aired late at night, and now I remember why I quit watching the series during the second season.
So the consensus is that the Borg are gone, correct? Well that’s no surprise considering Voyager seems to be able to go head to head with a cube (Unimatrix Zero, episode). And the crew figured out a way to be assimilated without actually being assimilated (same crappy episode). \ I remember when the Borg used to be cool, like in TNG and “First Contact”.
Hopefully “Enterprise” will have more focused writing.
/bans the use of deus ex machina
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### Author:  [@Santos\_L\_Halper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santos_L_Halper)
#### Post date: [July 15, 2001, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/15 "2001-07-15T02:52:40Z")
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> \*Originally posted by ElvisL1ves \*
> **It would take some fancy writing, though, or at least some tacky alternate-timeline crap. The Federation didn’t even know about the Borg at the time when Q forcibly introduced Picard and the D crew to them.**
In the Next Generation they didn’t know about them. In Vogager, 7 of 9 was assimilated when she was a little girl (some twenty or so years earlier). She was with her parents, Federation scientists who were studying the Borg.
They can just rewrite history again. After all, it’s not like Trekkers are continuity-obsessed or anything. 🙂
Eric
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### Author:  [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)
#### Post date: [July 15, 2001, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/16 "2001-07-15T03:21:41Z")
Remember, there are many other alternate Borg communities. The Borg “Cooperative”, and that colony founded by Hugh.
Besides, I don’t think killing the Borg Queen for the umpteemth time is going to do anything
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### Author:  [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)
#### Post date: [July 15, 2001, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/17 "2001-07-15T03:25:12Z")
[hijack] On a side note, I was personally hoping they would have the new series based on Peter David’s \* New Frontier\*. Just goes to so you, Paramount couldn’t find original thinking if it bit them in the ass. [/hijack]
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### Author:  [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)
#### Post date: [July 15, 2001, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/18 "2001-07-15T04:49:18Z")
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> In the Next Generation they didn’t know about them. In Vogager, 7 of 9 was assimilated when she was a little girl (some twenty or so years earlier). She was with her parents, Federation scientists who were studying the Borg.
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> They can just rewrite history again. After all, it’s not like Trekkers are continuity-obsessed or anything. 🙂
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> Eric \*\*
I don’t remember if this was addressed in the Voyager episode, but the Hansens were on a long-range mission (their ship ended up in the delta quadrant… I’m not sure where they were when they first encountered the borg) and presumably could have been out of communication range of the federation. Then of course they were all assimilated before they could return.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)
#### Post date: [July 15, 2001, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/19 "2001-07-15T16:08:19Z")
Let us not forget that the Borg in _First Contact_ were trying to use the Enterprise’s deflector dish to contact their counterparts in the mid-21st century!
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [July 15, 2001, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-borg-dead-star-trek-voyager/72349/20 "2001-07-15T21:02:40Z")
The time line changed in First Contact.
Lily saw the Borg in the 21st century.
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