# Are the following facts both true \[Holocaust denial and WTC denial\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 18, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180 "2018-10-18T23:29:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mustang19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19adc/32.png) [@mustang19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mustang19)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/1 "2018-10-18T23:29:06Z")
1. Wtc was 1000 Celsius 2. Holocaust ovens were more ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/2 "2018-10-19T00:14:45Z")
The World Trade Center on 9/11? I don’t believe 1000deg Celsius is supported by the modeling. Wouldn’t be shocking if some small point got that high but the fire is not believed to have consistently gotten that hot. Above 700 deg for sure though. The Holocaust? Probably not much above 1000 deg, if even that much. Too much heat would damage the equipment. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/3 "2018-10-19T00:26:56Z")
a) yes, give or take, in places [according to NIST](https://www.nist.gov/topics/disaster-failure-studies/faqs-nist-wtc-towers-investigation) > [@](#): > > In no instance did NIST report that steel in the WTC towers melted due to the fires. The melting point of steel is about 1,500 degrees Celsius (2,800 degrees Fahrenheit). Normal building fires and hydrocarbon (e.g., jet fuel) fires generate temperatures up to about 1,100 degrees Celsius (2,000 degrees Fahrenheit). NIST reported maximum upper layer air temperatures of about 1,000 degrees Celsius (1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) in the WTC towers (for example, see NCSTAR 1, Figure 6-36). b) Probably not. According to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cremation#Modern_cremation_process) > [@](#): > > A cremator is an industrial furnace that is able to generate temperatures of 870–980 °C (1,600–1,800 °F) to ensure disintegration of the corpse. it is unlikely that the Nazi’s who would have had less modern equipment and less interest in achieving complete cremation would have used hotter temperatures. So since this thread was started in GD rather than GQ, one wonders whether the OP is branching out from Federal reserve conspiracy into WTC conspiracy or into Holocaust denial or, Og forbid, going for the trifecta. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/4 "2018-10-19T00:39:54Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > 1. Wtc was 1000 Celsius > 2. Holocaust ovens were more What is the connection between these two statements if they happen to be true? What are you trying to debate here? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/5 "2018-10-19T00:42:45Z")
Nazi ovens brought down the WTC, I knew it! ---
**Author:** ![mustang19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19adc/32.png) [@mustang19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mustang19)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/6 "2018-10-19T01:10:46Z")
> **[The Druggist of Auschwitz](https://books.google.com/books?id=ndNdZuOH4YMC&pg=PA273&lpg=PA273&dq=%22brought%2Bthe%2Bfire%2Bin%2Bthe%2Bovens%2Bup%2Bto%2B1800%22&source=bl&ots=QT0tZH5M1y&sig=5GtCUoPL53bXTADmnGSEfaNqf-I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB6PPhqZHeAhUT_1QKHf-rAGcQ6AEwAHoECAAQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22brought%20the%20fire%20in%20the%20ovens%20up%20to%201800%22&f=false)** > > Dieter Schlesak's haunting novel The Druggist of Auschwitz—beautifully translated from the German by John Hargraves—is a frighteningly vivid portrayal of the Holocaust as seen through the eyes of criminal and victim alike.Adam, known as "the last Jew... [![](https://i.imgur.com/UfiRvCL.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/UfiRvCL.jpg) > [@](#): > > (the ovens) were over 1800 Celsius If you disagree youre a holocaust denier ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/7 "2018-10-19T01:14:24Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > [The Case for Auschwitz: Evidence from the Irving Trial - Robert Jan Van Pelt - Google Books](https://books.google.com/books?id=S1gWDgAAQBAJ&pg=PA196&lpg=PA196&dq=auschwitz+celsius+oven&source=bl&ots=4Amae9QCRh&sig=5swG2Q8agh3lOMLVoK1_P_NKlSI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiI4L7hqJHeAhWEhFQKHVkOD_EQ6AEwD3oECEgQAQ#v=onepage&q=auschwitz%20celsius%20oven&f=false) > > If you disagree youre a holocaust denier You can’t be serious with this. Disagreeing with the temperature estimates of a single person means you are a Holocaust denier? Come on, man. ---
**Author:** ![mustang19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19adc/32.png) [@mustang19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mustang19)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/8 "2018-10-19T01:16:20Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > You can’t be serious with this. > > Disagreeing with the temperature estimates of a single person means you are a Holocaust denier? > > Come on, man. Yes it does. All temperature estimates are over 1000c ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/9 "2018-10-19T01:21:59Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > Yes it does. All temperature estimates are over 1000c Ok. Sure, yep! Ovens were over 1000 Celsius. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/10 "2018-10-19T01:22:27Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > Yes it does. All temperature estimates are over 1000c Based on what? And how does that make someone a holocaust denier? And what does that have to do with 9/11? You opened this in Great Debates. If you’re going to do that, you have to provide the basis for debate. So far, you haven’t done so. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/11 "2018-10-19T01:22:48Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > Yes it does. All temperature estimates are over 1000c What has this to do with the World Trade Center? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/12 "2018-10-19T01:23:52Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > [The Druggist of Auschwitz: A Documentary Novel - Dieter Schlesak - Google Books](https://books.google.com/books?id=ndNdZuOH4YMC&pg=PA273&lpg=PA273&dq=%22brought+the+fire+in+the+ovens+up+to+1800%22&source=bl&ots=QT0tZH5M1y&sig=5GtCUoPL53bXTADmnGSEfaNqf-I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB6PPhqZHeAhUT_1QKHf-rAGcQ6AEwAHoECAAQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22brought%20the%20fire%20in%20the%20ovens%20up%20to%201800%22&f=false) > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/UfiRvCL.jpg) > > If you disagree youre a holocaust denier This links to pages from a novel. ---
**Author:** ![mustang19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19adc/32.png) [@mustang19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mustang19)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/13 "2018-10-19T01:24:41Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Based on what? And how does that make someone a holocaust denier? And what does that have to do with 9/11? > > You opened this in Great Debates. If you’re going to do that, you have to provide the basis for debate. So far, you haven’t done so. You’re doubting holocaust testimony ---
**Author:** ![mustang19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19adc/32.png) [@mustang19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mustang19)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/14 "2018-10-19T01:26:28Z")
> **[Depravity, Despair In 'Druggist Of Auschwitz'](https://www.npr.org/2011/05/12/136250384/review-the-druggist-of-auschwitz)** > > Dieter Schlesak's "documentary novel," translated from German, puts Auschwitz's pharmacist on trial. The book employs interviews with concentration camp survivors, letters and camp records, and testimony and evidence from the druggist's actual trial,... It’s not a fiction story Schlesak employs interviews with concentration camp survivors, letters and camp records, and statements from witnesses both for the defense and the prosecution. As his main narrator he uses the testimony of an actual survivor named Adam, one of the Jewish prisoners, who recounts with mounting horror stories about the victims whose murders he witnessed. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/15 "2018-10-19T01:26:50Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > You’re doubting holocaust testimony I’m just doubting you have made a case for…whatever it is you are trying to make a case for. What do the two claims in your OP have to do with each other? ---
**Author:** ![mustang19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19adc/32.png) [@mustang19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mustang19)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/16 "2018-10-19T01:27:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’m just doubting you have made a case for…whatever it is you are trying to make a case for. What do the two claims in your OP have to do with each other? If you accept or reject both claims youre a holocaust denier ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/17 "2018-10-19T01:28:29Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > [Depravity, Despair In 'Druggist Of Auschwitz' : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2011/05/12/136250384/review-the-druggist-of-auschwitz) > > It’s not a fiction story > > Schlesak employs interviews with concentration camp survivors, letters and camp records, and statements from witnesses both for the defense and the prosecution. As his main narrator he uses the testimony of an actual survivor named Adam, one of the Jewish prisoners, who recounts with mounting horror stories about the victims whose murders he witnessed. Again, what does this have to do with the WTC disaster? ---
**Author:** ![mustang19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19adc/32.png) [@mustang19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mustang19)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/18 "2018-10-19T01:29:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Again, what does this have to do with the WTC disaster? It would mean wtc refutes holocaust? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/19 "2018-10-19T01:30:21Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > If you accept or reject both claims youre a holocaust denier Nazi if you do, and Nazi if you don’t? Pray tell, what response means you _aren’t_ a holocaust denier? ---
**Author:** ![mustang19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19adc/32.png) [@mustang19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mustang19)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/20 "2018-10-19T01:31:05Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Nazi if you do, and Nazi if you don’t? > Pray tell, what response means you _aren’t_ a holocaust denier? Anyone who believes wtc is a holocaust denier [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180.md?page=2)