# Are the following facts both true \[Holocaust denial and WTC denial\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 18, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180 "2018-10-18T23:29:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/81 "2018-10-19T11:32:39Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > This is way too much fun not to get into. > > I found the most elaborately thorough analysis of crematoria in Germany imaginable, Goddamn, dude, you and I have some different ideas of fun. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/82 "2018-10-19T11:37:52Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > Because you cant even answer the question its obvious that all of you see the holocaust as a white supremacist Zionist myth. Impressive. Every word in that sentence was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/83 "2018-10-19T11:41:30Z")
If there’s any chance you’re not trolling (espeically with that last post), please just try to ask the question in a way that makes sense. Surely you’ve heard this theory somewhere. Maybe link to someone else who explained your question? You really don’t make sense. Why would the temperature of one be related to the other? ---
**Author:** ![WernhamHogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a587f6/32.png) [@WernhamHogg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WernhamHogg)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/84 "2018-10-19T12:07:51Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > There’s been a few of 'em, especially over recent months. I would expect the norm would be, join up, ask all sorts of questions, then either hang around forever (mea culpa) or just drift away. Not: Join, say nothing for years, then out of the blue jump on again in a flurry of activity. > > And how the fuck do these people remember their usernames and passwords?? All you need to remember is your email address. You can retrieve your username and reset the password. And if you forgot you even had an account, you’ll be reminded when you try to set up a new account with the same email address. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/85 "2018-10-19T12:14:00Z")
Well I for one view this thread as a prime example of skeptics ruining things and driving off posters by spraying sarcasm all over the place. Why can’t you all respond to the OP with civility and a careful application of facts? Besides, if you connect the dots (in an M.C. Escher fashion, to be sure), his argument makes perfect sense. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/86 "2018-10-19T12:51:02Z")
But, why is a raven like a writing desk? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/87 "2018-10-19T13:01:10Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Fire is hot. > > Another fire is hotter. > > Therefore, six million jews never died. > > I can’t wait to tell my great-uncle. _Jet fuel can’t melt Jewish people._ ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/88 "2018-10-19T13:03:21Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > So then give the correct numbers. All I have seen in this thread is circumstantial crap arguments. The crematoria in the Holocaust were about 1000[sup]o[/sup], or perhaps a bit less. The WTC fires were roughly the same, or perhaps a bit more. ([Cite](https://www.nist.gov/topics/disaster-failure-studies/faqs-nist-wtc-towers-investigation).) > [@mustang19](#): > > Because you cant even answer the question its obvious that all of you see the holocaust as a white supremacist Zionist myth. Whew! Dodged that bullet. Besides, it’s not white supremacist Zionist - it’s Zionist white supremacist. You fucking [splitter](https://giphy.com/gifs/life-of-brian-JvRPiD6AgP1cI). Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/89 "2018-10-19T13:06:47Z")
I _think_ the “reasoning” goes something like this: The crematoria were at 1800 degrees C and didn’t fall down. The WTC was supposedly at 1000 degrees C and _did_ fall down. If you believe the WTC disaster was caused by the fires from the jet fuel (and, maybe?, not brought down by bombs planted in the buildings themselves), then there’s no way that the Holocaust is true, because if 1000 degrees C was enough to bring down the towers then it would have brought down the crematoria. I’m not positive that’s the OP’s reasoning, but it seems to make some sort of sense. Now, of course, his numbers are wrong and the towers weren’t made out of crematoria anyway so there’s no reason they would react the same to temperature increases. So, ultimately, this is all nonsense. But, I think I can connect the dot between the OP’s two statements. Who knows, though – his statements on fractional banking are genuine frontier gibberish at best. Also, I love the phrase “fractal wrongness” – it describes this poster to a T. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/90 "2018-10-19T13:10:40Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Now, of course, his numbers are wrong and the towers weren’t made out of crematoria anyway Well there’s the problem right there - we need to start making buildings out of crematoria, right after we build all those planes out of the stuff they use for the black box. IT’S JUST LOGIC. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/91 "2018-10-19T13:12:58Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Impressive. Every word in that sentence was wrong. Hey, give him credit. At least they were all actual words, if a bit dodgy punctuation-wise. Seriously, though. OP: _mumble mumble_ WTC 1000 deg C _mumble_? Other posters: Er, what? OP: _mumble mumble_ ovens holocaust _mumble_? Others: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? OP: Because you cant even answer the question its obvious that all of you see the holocaust as a white supremacist Zionist myth! And that’s all the feeding this one gets. Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/92 "2018-10-19T13:25:10Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > I’m more wondering what made him make his very first post ever today after being a member here for over 6 years! It’s a Sleeper Cell of Lunacy. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/93 "2018-10-19T13:39:01Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > we need to start making buildings out of crematoria… That won’t work at all. We build the WTC out of a crematorium, install a sprinkler system, and Jewish people are going to take one look and say “uh uh – we ain’t falling for that one again.” too soon? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/94 "2018-10-19T13:45:04Z")
Obvious troll is obvious troll Bubbadog’s theory - Joined years ago and went away. Uses the same username and password everywhere Some other source brought him back here. Took a look around and realized that he didn’t much care about contributing. Decided to troll Logged on and used handy dandy universal password When somebody refuses to answer straight up simple questions and keeps throwing out tangent arguments, we should assume that they are a troll and wait for the inevitable banning or assume that they are too stupid to participate and wait for the eventual offense that gets them banned. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/95 "2018-10-19T13:48:39Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Wake up, sheeple! In my defense, I was drunk when I first read his theory. Now, in the light of day, it makes perfect sense! ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/96 "2018-10-19T14:03:57Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You really don’t make sense. Why would the temperature of one be related to the other? That’s easy. In the US we use Fahrenheit; in Europe they use Celsius: T(°F) = T(°C) × 9/5 + 32 ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/97 "2018-10-19T14:05:01Z")
At a guess, the OP has been reading Carlo Mattogno or a similar denier who claims that there’s no way the ovens at Auschwitz could have handled the numbers of dead claimed. At a 2nd guess, the OP is a bit thick, and drinks too much. If anyone is masochistic enough to be interested in this particular branch of holocaust denial, you can find one of the key proponents here - [C. Mattogno, F. Deana: The Crematoria Ovens of Auschwitz and Birkenau](http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndcrema.html) - and a good rebuttal here - [My Response to Carlo Mattogno](https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/response-to-mattogno/) tldr: fuckwits continue to grasp at any straw they can to claim the holocaust couldn’t have happened. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/98 "2018-10-19T14:09:32Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > Because you cant even answer the question its obvious that all of you see the holocaust as a white supremacist Zionist myth. So, you are saying that white supremacists and zionists got together to create the “myth” of the Holocaust. To what end did they do this? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/99 "2018-10-19T14:15:38Z")
You don’t need to melt steel to weaken it. Every heard of blacksmiths? They heat up steel but it doesn’t melt. It just gets soft so they can bend it. If you had a hard steel beam holding up a building, and it softened a bit, the building might collapse even if the steel beam didn’t melt. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/100 "2018-10-19T14:15:53Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > Because you cant even answer the question its obvious that all of you see the holocaust as a white supremacist Zionist myth. I think I have found just the evidence needed to rebut your argument [right here.](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/fd5457e8-1ad8-4d30-8f82-d9878efcd189) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180.md?page=6)