# Are the following facts both true \[Holocaust denial and WTC denial\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 18, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180 "2018-10-18T23:29:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/101 "2018-10-19T14:23:54Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I _think_ the “reasoning” goes something like this: > > The crematoria were at 1800 degrees C and didn’t fall down. > > The WTC was supposedly at 1000 degrees C and _did_ fall down. > > If you believe the WTC disaster was caused by the fires from the jet fuel (and, maybe?, not brought down by bombs planted in the buildings themselves), then there’s no way that the Holocaust is true, because if 1000 degrees C was enough to bring down the towers then it would have brought down the crematoria. > > I’m not positive that’s the OP’s reasoning, but it seems to make some sort of sense. Ah. So it’s basically “why don’t they make the whole plane out of the same material they make the black box”, only with added antisemitism. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/102 "2018-10-19T14:23:57Z")
I refuse to engage until the moon-landing hoax is addressed. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/103 "2018-10-19T14:26:09Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I refuse to engage until the moon-landing hoax is addressed. I knew someone who believed that the moon landing was fake _and_ that we had secret bases on the moon. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/104 "2018-10-19T14:27:27Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > Because you cant even answer the question its obvious that all of you see the holocaust as a white supremacist Zionist myth. Just to note that the only actual question you’ve asked is the one in the thread title, and that has been answered several times. Everything else you’ve posted has been unsupported assertions and bizarre non-sequiturs that have not followed from what anyone else has written. If there’s another question (or more than one) you’d genuinely like us to answer, please post it. If you’d rather just have the debate within the confines of your own head, where it currently appears to reside, then we don’t really need this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/105 "2018-10-19T14:37:03Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > 1. Wtc was 1000 Celsius > 2. Holocaust ovens were more Is your argument that ovens and skyscrapers share the same structural engineering? ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/106 "2018-10-19T14:38:25Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > But, why is a raven like a writing desk? They both have inky quills. There, I answered a question, so I’m not…whatever bizarre blend of projection the dribbling troll who started this mess is claiming. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/107 "2018-10-19T14:39:28Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I knew someone who believed that the moon landing was fake _and_ that we had secret bases on the moon. The secret bases were created for soundstages to film the fake landings. You can blame Kubrick’s insatiable demand for realism. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/108 "2018-10-19T14:41:44Z")
“So you say the WTC came down with temperatures of no more than 1000 deg C? Then you must be a Holocaust denier!” It’s all a Trumpian level “Gotcha!” and Godwin rolled into one. You don’t have to follow the non-existent logic on display, just agree with the conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/109 "2018-10-19T14:46:29Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > Come on dude, out with it. It is late here in the US and I have an early meeting at Deep State headquarters and then I have to go round to pick up my crisis actor paychecks. I think I might have a paid protester gig in the afternoon, i’ll have to check my schedule. Didja get your BetoBonus? Or are those only given out in Texas? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/110 "2018-10-19T15:14:30Z")
Christ, do Dopers just like to argue with every fucking lunatic on the bus or something? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/111 "2018-10-19T15:20:18Z")
Boredom. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/112 "2018-10-19T15:20:47Z")
> [@mustang19](#): > > So then give the correct numbers. All I have seen in this thread is circumstantial crap arguments. How about this? [http://unitconverter.io/degrees-fahrenheit/degrees-celsius/1832](http://unitconverter.io/degrees-fahrenheit/degrees-celsius/1832) 1000C = 1832F What’s more likely, that the Holocaust and/or 9/11 were big fakes, or one guy writing a book screwed up his units? Go on, surprise me with your answer. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/113 "2018-10-19T15:23:34Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Christ, do Dopers just like to argue with every fucking lunatic on the bus or something? Not every lunatic - lots of Dopers have me on Ignore. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/114 "2018-10-19T15:25:39Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Christ, do Dopers just like to argue with every fucking lunatic on the bus or something? I’d like to be the first to respond to your post by saying that I cut back on the lunatics by not arguing with people I have on ignore. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/115 "2018-10-19T15:27:35Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Not every lunatic - lots of Dopers have me on Ignore. You’ve got a fair bit of spare time on your hands and you like arguing with people whose politics you disagree with, but that would indicate a bored retiree rather than a lunatic. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180/116 "2018-10-19T15:44:36Z")
Enough with the lunacy. We provide a wide latitude for all sorts of discussion, but this is mostly gibberish. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-following-facts-both-true-holocaust-denial-and-wtc-denial/823180.md?page=5)