# Are the GOP rooting for total economic collapse?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [July 22, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045 "2011-07-22T23:06:23Z")
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### Author:  [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/1 "2011-07-22T23:06:23Z")
At some point you just have to wonder…
> **[Boehner calls off debt talks with Obama](http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/07/obama-boehner-debt-talks-off/1)**
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> House Speaker John Boehner told President Obama tonight he is pulling out of debt negotiations to work directly with the Senate about a fall-back plan to lift the nation's $14.3 trillion debt ceiling by the Aug. 2 deadline.
It felt like a game of chicken until today, when I see that they are merely going through a charade of negotiations, waiting for the deadline to pass so the country goes to hell and they can blame it all on Obama.
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### Author:  [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2011, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/2 "2011-07-22T23:07:53Z")
No. The Republicans are probably going to settle for some sort of deal even if to avoid a repeat of 1995. They are not evil sadistic kitten-torturing Nazis. :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2011, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/3 "2011-07-22T23:12:50Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#):
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> No. The Republicans are probably going to settle for some sort of deal even if to avoid a repeat of 1995. They are not evil sadistic kitten-torturing Nazis. :rolleyes:
It’s true. They quit torturing kittens literally weeks ago.
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### Author:  [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/4 "2011-07-22T23:15:06Z")
I feel like the GOP are rooting for total GOP collapse.
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### Author:  [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/5 "2011-07-22T23:26:05Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#):
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> No. The Republicans are probably going to settle for some sort of deal even if to avoid a repeat of 1995. They are not evil sadistic kitten-torturing Nazis. :rolleyes:
Well they probably should have signaled for that weeks ago. The damage of their unwillingness to compromise is already occurring and there is no longer time to get anything meaningful through the senate.
The current campaign ads of a top GOP candidate still include ‘I will not vote for a debt increase under any circumstances’ it’s hard to come to a conclusion other then they are completely willing to crash the economy even if it is just to see it explode.
The end times may not be upon us but things aren’t going to get better from this point forward. They’re already on track for another 1995. Maybe their campaign funding can overcome it this time around, but trying to pin this one on the Democrats is going to take some big bucks.
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### Author:  [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2011, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/6 "2011-07-22T23:34:31Z")
there is a part of the gop that believes that the economy will not melt down and it is a fake crisis, etc.
this is the group that will not compromise and unfortunatly for boehner he needs them to vote to pass anything.
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### Author:  [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2011, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/7 "2011-07-23T00:22:00Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#):
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> No. The Republicans are probably going to settle for some sort of deal even if to avoid a repeat of 1995. They are not evil sadistic kitten-torturing Nazis. :rolleyes:
Cite?
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### Author:  [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2011, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/8 "2011-07-23T00:38:44Z")
Boehner just walked out on the debt talks. No word on whether Eric Cantor needed to change his shorts again.
> **[Boehner Leaves Debt Ceiling Talks With Obama](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/john-boehner-debt-ceiling_n_907452)**
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> Boehner Leaves Debt Ceiling Talks With Obama
I don’t know that I’d say the House Republicans are _rooting_ for an economic collapse - but they certainly do act like they think it would work out in their favor.
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### Author:  [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2011, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/9 "2011-07-23T00:53:07Z")
the faa has not been reauthorized. the layoffs start tomorrow.
so yes, i believe they are still thinking shut it down will not be too bad.
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### Author:  [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/10 "2011-07-23T00:56:28Z")
I don’t want to see the crap hit the fan, but I’m trying to find ways to get out of the line of direct return just because it seems prudent.
Part of me hopes that if the Feds do a crash-and-burn some of libertarian/tea party/other anti-government folks will wake up and realize how much of _their_ comfort depends on a functional government, but people are idiots and ideological idiots are some of the worst sorts.
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/11 "2011-07-23T03:00:44Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#):
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> the faa has not been reauthorized. the layoffs start tomorrow.
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> so yes, i believe they are still thinking shut it down will not be too bad.
Shut down the whole thing. There are a lot of uncontrolled fields in this country, so people can fly from them as long as the weather is good enough. Airlines cannot fly without the FAA, but so what? People have the freedom to pay for the services they use, or else choose another way of getting from Point A to Point B.
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/12 "2011-07-23T03:03:17Z")
> [@Broomstick](#):
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> Part of me hopes that if the Feds do a crash-and-burn some of libertarian/tea party/other anti-government folks will wake up and realize how much of _their_ comfort depends on a functional government, but people are idiots and ideological idiots are some of the worst sorts.
I should have read this before I posted. Those People grind an gnash their teeth over De Ebil Gubmint. But let them try to catch a commercial fight without it, or make use of the myriad other services taxes support.
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2011, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/13 "2011-07-23T04:21:30Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#):
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> there is a part of the gop that believes that the economy will not melt down and it is a fake crisis, etc.
Well it is a fake crisis. There’s nothing that has changed in the US recently like a disaster or something that majorly changed the economic situation. This is a fake crisis completely of the Republican making. It’s only a crisis because instead of passing a routine procedural law, they’ve decided to hold the whole country hostage and threaten us with very real financial collapse because their masters might have to pay 3% more tax per year.
For fucks sake, somehow it makes more sense to them to put the world into another economic collapse which will undoubtedly kill economic activity more than any 3% tax would. I don’t know, maybe they’re counting on getting a big cash “bailout” when they crash the world economy again - the first time was just too sweet for some of them to let it go.
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### Author:  [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2011, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/14 "2011-07-23T04:27:41Z")
I’m a centrist Democrat. I am pretty conservative on a couple issues. I will be voting for Obama in the next election. That said, I say let the Republicans stop any raising of the debt limit. Whatever the consequences, the Repubs will own it, 100%.
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#):
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> No. The Republicans are probably going to settle for some sort of deal even if to avoid a repeat of 1995. They are not evil sadistic kitten-torturing Nazis. :rolleyes:
They would gladly torture kittens if there was a buck to be made off it or if kitten torturing had lobbyists.
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2011, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/15 "2011-07-23T04:29:47Z")
> [@River\_Hippie](#):
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> I’m a centrist Democrat. I am pretty conservative on a couple issues. I will be voting for Obama in the next election. That said, I say let the Republicans stop any raising of the debt limit. Whatever the consequences, the Repubs will own it, 100%.
How much is making a political point worth? An economic collapse worse than what happened in 2008? The US never being able to get low interest loans ever again? The devaluing of our currency, the movement away from our currency as the world’s reserve currency, and a massive decrease in American buying power?
Is that worth making a political point?
And how much will that even sink in, anyway? Tens of millions of diehard partisans are convinced that the 2007-2008 financial collapse was Obama’s doing. How many years will it be until they’ll remember the 2011 economic crash as Obama’s doing?
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### Author:  [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2011, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/16 "2011-07-23T04:40:38Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#):
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> How much is making a political point worth? An economic collapse worse than what happened in 2008? The US never being able to get low interest loans ever again? The devaluing of our currency, the movement away from our currency as the world’s reserve currency, and a massive decrease in American buying power?
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> Is that worth making a political point?
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> And how much will that even sink in, anyway? Tens of millions of diehard partisans are convinced that the 2007-2008 financial collapse was Obama’s doing. How many years will it be until they’ll remember the 2011 economic crash as Obama’s doing?
Yes, let the Teapublicans make their political point. They will own the results.
Obama will go down in history as the guy that tried to do the right thing.
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/17 "2011-07-23T04:43:21Z")
To the objective, maybe. But not to them. You think you’re going to give them a taste of their own medicine, and show them the consequences of their actions - but in regards to who to assign blame to politically, and how to treat Obama, these people have already proven themselves to be completely irrational.
The people you want to teach that lesson to will not learn it, they will just turn up the cognitive dissonance up to 11. They’ll go back to their Rush/fox news echo chamber and be convinced somehow that the tea party and the republicans were trying to save the country yet somehow Obama ruined everything, even though it’s obvious that their policies are what lead to the collapse.
Again, they already think Obama caused the 2007 financial collapse, they think of Iraq as “Obama’s war” - the same thing is going to happen in this case. They’re incapable of learning their lesson, and yet the world is still going to pay a huge price trying to teach them this lesson.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2011, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/18 "2011-07-23T04:57:20Z")
> [@](#):
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> Yes, let the Teapublicans make their political point. They will own the results.
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> Obama will go down in history as the guy that tried to do the right thing.
At best, they’ll take the blame for it. But own it? No. This country is all of ours, and we’ll _all_ own the results. Yeah, it’s kind of nice to know who to blame, if the country goes to Hell. But you know what? I’d much rather not have to blame anyone at all.
Likewise, Obama going down in history as trying to do the right thing might be good, but I’d far rather he go down in history for _succeeding_.
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### Author:  [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2011, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/19 "2011-07-23T04:59:04Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#):
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> To the objective, maybe. But not to them. You think you’re going to give them a taste of their own medicine, and show them the consequences of their actions - but in regards to who to assign blame to politically, and how to treat Obama, these people have already proven themselves to be completely irrational.
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> The people you want to teach that lesson to will not learn it, they will just turn up the cognitive dissonance up to 11. They’ll go back to their Rush/fox news echo chamber and be convinced somehow that the tea party and the republicans were trying to save the country yet somehow Obama ruined everything, even though it’s obvious that their policies are what lead to the collapse.
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> Again, they already think Obama caused the 2007 financial collapse, they think of Iraq as “Obama’s war” - the same thing is going to happen in this case. They’re incapable of learning their lesson, and yet the world is still going to pay a huge price trying to teach them this lesson.
I think you and I would agree on a lot of things. History is written by the victors. Perhaps Obama will go down in history as the guy that ruined everything if the Teapublicans prevail.
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### Author:  [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2011, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-gop-rooting-for-total-economic-collapse/590045/20 "2011-07-23T11:01:56Z")
> [@tnetennba](#):
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> At some point you just have to wonder…
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> [Boehner calls off debt talks with Obama](http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/07/obama-boehner-debt-talks-off/1)
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> It felt like a game of chicken until today, when I see that they are merely going through a charade of negotiations, waiting for the deadline to pass so the country goes to hell and they can blame it all on Obama.
Obama can solve this problem in five minutes.
Shut up about tax increases. No one is going to support those.
Problem solved.
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