Obama fully supports passing a law to raise the debt ceiling without any tax increases. The house Republicans refuse. So you’re objectively, unambiguously wrong.
Really? How?
Bullshit. Quite a few people do - because it’s blindingly obvious that the government’s income will have to increase in addition to reducing spending in order to decrease the deficit.
Moved Elections --> GD.
Republicans rooting for total collapse? I don’t think so.
Obama rooting for the markets to tank on Monday? Sounded like it to me.
Well, I support them, so your statement is false.
a 3000 point drop in the Dow next week would just be an enormous buying opportunity for those who still have money to invest – the top 5% income in the US. The rest of us can go pound salt, and watch our saving evaporate.
I prefer the more specific “Tea Party is rooting for total collapse” myself
What possible gain could that be for Obama? Seriously, what would be the motive? The gain? That’s just anti-Obama ranting. Here, have a tall glass of Kool-aid to go with that.
I’m sure it did sound like that if you got your news from Rupert Murdoch’s hate machine. Which, one guesses from your conclusions, you do.
The millions upon millions of people who will lose their jobs and be impoverished will disagree with you that just the Republicans will own this.
Never has a poster’s username been more apropos of the content of his post.
I don’t think anybody the Republicans, or anyone else for that matter, are actively rooting for economic collapse. The problem is that they just don’t give a fuck. If they think it’ll help them prove a point, they’ll bring the whole system down, consequences be damned.
You’ll find the answer here.. Or, you could just scroll down the front page of this forum.
As a Republican I’m starting to turn pretty actively against my party on this one.
At one point in the negotiations it seemed like President Obama was basically willing to give us 95% of what we wanted in return for moderate changes to the tax code and minor increases on a small subset of earners. To me, the fact that he was even willing to talk about reductions in entitlement programs meant we could have achieve real reductions in spending long term at the cost of tax increases which could have been scaled back 10 years down the road if we have an economic boom and they are no longer fiscally necessary.
This idea that you must blindly refuse any tax increases is just honestly stupid. Yes, taxes introduce inefficiencies in the market, but they have to be weighed on their own merits. In this scenario we would be getting sufficient returns that I think on a societal level the $4tn deals I’ve read about with minor tax increases would have been worth it.
I understood and supported the Republican position in the very beginning. Basically, we control the House and we want to use that to get some of what we want out of the President. I’m all for that, that is how politics is played. You don’t start off giving up anything, you start off asking for everything and giving nothing. That’s how negotiation works, but if you’re not willing to ever change your original position you aren’t negotiating at all. We control the House but we do not control the Senate or the White House, so if we aren’t willing to negotiate at all we’re basically saying we’re shutting down the government completely. That isn’t supposed to be how our system works.
I understand politically some Republican congressmen were never going to agree with any tax increases. However, I honestly thought Speaker Boehner was going to use his leadership position to get a small portion of Republican congressmen to go along with the negotiated plan, so that when joined by the Democratic congressmen it would be enough to pass legislation. Obama has openly said he is willing to deal, Boehner is two things: either completely unwilling to deal because of ideological concerns, or he has gone to the caucus and found out he isn’t able to get enough of his own party to support a tax increase to get it through the house.
If the first is true Boehner is an idiot. Based on talk earlier on I don’t think Boehner is personally unwilling to support a tax increase. Instead I think he is unable to get his caucus to vote for a tax increase in sufficient numbers to pass the legislation. That means he has failed as Speaker and should no longer hold the post. Realistically this is where I think the President should have the ability to just dissolve the House when it has proven it cannot pass legislation, which would fix this situation.
Boehner is screwed. I don’t see any possible way he can keep his chairmanship over this.
I’m a Liberal who does not belong to a political party. In California I was registered ‘non-partisan’. So I generally disagree with the things that you support. Personally I believe the Democrats have offered too much. It’s heartening to see at least one Republican who believes his party is foolish not to take the offer. I hope you will write to your Representatives and make your displeasure known to them.
By no one, he means he does not support tax increases. I saw a poll yesterday that 72 percent of the people want an increase in taxes for those making over 250K. But in the bunker RR resides in, the poll is 1 against, none for.
Raising the debt limit has been perfunctory for about a century. It allows you to pay debts already committed to. It increases nothing.
What was that 95% of what we wanted? Some kind of potential reductions in growth of certain programs sometime in the future in exchange for tax increases now? Both Reagan and Bush Sr. got hoodwinked on this type of deal…the tax increases arrive immediately and the cuts never materialize.
This quote from the article in the OP is the kind of thing that really bothers me about this mess:
Over and over again, over and over and over, again and again, repeatedly, almost ceaselessly, time in and time out without pause, the Republicans spread bald-faced, utterly unsupportable lies about the situation.
It is dismaying. Apparently there exist so many stupid people in the country that these lies can be persuasive enough to maintain a Republican House. There exist literally dozens and dozens of constituencies in America in which a majority of the population is too fucking stupid to simply distinguish between shit and shinola.
Our people have become stupid. The Republicans apparently seek to manipulate this fact to enslave us all to the rich. It is incredibly despicable. And I don’t have much confidence that if the shit does hit the fan, many people will at any point, even in retrospect, be able to perceive what happened.
Pubbies have declared war on America. They don’t seek to govern, they seek some kind of plutocracy. Just look at what they say- clearly they are the enemies of the US government, and by extension the people of America.
You mean people support raising taxes on someone else who aren’t themselves? Well, gee! Who would have ever thought?
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Why don’t you ask those same people how much of a tax increase they’d be willing to personally shoulder?