# Are the Holocaust Revisionists right? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 27, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696 "2009-09-27T00:21:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/61 "2009-09-27T19:54:22Z")
> [@human\_extinction](#): > > Again, no evidence presented so far discounting Bradley’s and Cole’s primary arguments. > [@human\_extinction](#): > > Little Nemo: I did go to other sites and did not find anything refuting the main points of revisionists in question At this point, you have actually provided nothing for any other poster to directly address. You have a link to one silly website with some hacked up videos making claims about claims and you have paraphrased a couple of claims by other authors without providing any direct links to their claims. (Then you throw in that claim about what (imaginary) “official holocaust historians” say without providing a citation that any historian actually makes any such statements. That is the sort of thing that looks like a straw man: Denier A claims that Real Historian B made such-and-such a statement and if we ever find the actual statement, we then discover that it was both distorted in context and reversed in actual words by Denier A. It happens all the time in Holocaustr Denier and Conspiracy Theory trhreads, and the best way to avoid that problem is to cite the actual speakers with a direct link to their words.) If you are looking for a serious discussion, please provide citations to actual remarks made either by the deniers or for what you claim have been made by genuine historians. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/62 "2009-09-27T20:03:31Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > OK, if it’s irrelevant, it’s irrelevant. So I won’t talk about it anymore. But why the “moderating” tag then? I thought the function of a moderator is to enforce the _rules_ of the forum, and to warn people when they are breaking these specific rules. Nothing that I did broke any of the rules. I wasn’t aware that moderators could make up rules on the spot for how the discussion in a thread is supposed to go. If you want to make a suggestion as to how I should act in the thread, then do so. But using the official power of that moderator tag to turn the suggestion into a command, even though I was not violating any of the forum’s rules, is what it seems like you are doing. The purpose of Moderation in a forum dedicated to passionate argument is to keep threads from being more derailed than they typically are. I am not interested in merely “enforcing rules,” but in keeping discussions away from personal attacks of any kind. If you want to post on a board where every action is governed by a specific rule, you will need to look elsewhere. Had I left off the Moderator tag, then I would be accused by various posters of being unclear as to whether my remarks were “official.” In my experience, personal remarks pretty nearly always lead to rules violations in terms of person insults. They also lead to hijacks. Neither of those situations are conducive to discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/63 "2009-09-27T20:07:43Z")
Thank you for the explanation. That’s all I was seeking. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/64 "2009-09-27T20:23:41Z")
> [@human\_extinction](#): > > If Bradley and Cole’s revisionist history is correct, then what is the point of protesting it so forcefully and calling everyone who has questions a denier? If that was indeed happening, I gather the point would be to counter those who forcefully (and occasionally violently) act on their beliefs that Jews are bad, because “Jews are bad” and “holocaust never happened” are ideas that are quite heavily intertwined. It might also be the result of normal human snappishness and impatience upon being confronted with yet another round of specious claims, as holocaust denials routinely are. Feel free to share with us what you think is the single best and most irrefutable denial argument. In any case, the forcefulness of the response is irrelevant to the truth of the original statement. Consider these cases: Case 1: Statement: Two plus two is four. Calm response: No, it isn’t. Forceful response: NO, IT ISN’T YOU FUCKING MORON! Case 2: Statement: Two plus two is five. Calm response: No, it isn’t. Forceful response: NO, IT ISN’T YOU FUCKING MORON! The energy level of the response has no bearing on the truth of the original statement. Additionally, if analysis of motivation is relevant in one case (i.e. holocaust claimers want support for Israel) I don’t see why it is is not also relevant in the complementary case (i.e. holocaust deniers hate Jews). Since not every holocaust claimer is a booster of Israel and I’m willing to accept that there exists at least one denier who is not specifically an anti-Semite (surely one exists, somewhere), would it not be best to leave issues of motivation out entirely? Further, if there are such people as “official holocaust historians”, surely their names and writings are a matter of public record and you can elaborate at least a little. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/65 "2009-09-27T23:02:18Z")
> [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](#): > > What would happen if some minor details about the Civil War turned out to be wrong? Aside from making a few corrections in history books, what would we do and what major impact would it have? > > It’s the ultimate in dead-horse beating. Very good point … but the fact that there were white english sold into slavery [we were the dumping grounds for the british penal system pre-australia] still doesnt tend to show up in history books, and I have seen a descendant of one of them telling a history class about it and being totally dismissed as lying, even though she had a copy of his original manumission paperwork [there was apparently a deal if you served in the continental army you got manumitted. Who knew.] Seems like that person had just as little choice in coming over as the random african slave, and from what I understand, stood the same chance of dying in transit. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/66 "2009-09-27T23:07:58Z")
I hate to ask – but were any of the crematoriums used for live prisoners? This is something that I’ve wanted to ask for a while…but I’ve almost been afraid to. Also, didn’t one general (I believe it was Patton) make an entire town go through one of the camps to make them see exactly what was going on? Because none of them could believe it. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/67 "2009-09-28T00:05:42Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I hate to ask – but were any of the crematoriums used for live prisoners? This is something that I’ve wanted to ask for a while…but I’ve almost been afraid to. Not so far as any source would support. Much of the Nazi methodology of mass extermination was dedicated towards making it as efficient as reasonably possible, and part of that was keeping the victims calm before being murdered. They sometimes even employed other Jews to go in and amongst the groups to be gassed to calm them down and convince them it was a harmless procedure. You couldn’t keep people cowed and calm while trying to throw them into ovens. It’d be a gigantic riot. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/68 "2009-09-28T00:29:58Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > You couldn’t keep people cowed and calm while trying to throw them into ovens. It’d be a gigantic riot. _And there sat Sam, looking cool and calm, in the heart of the furnace roar; And he wore a smile you could see a mile, and he said: “Please close that door. It’s fine in here, but I greatly fear you’ll let in the cold and storm— Since I left Plumtree, down in Tennessee, it’s the first time I’ve been warm._\* See, you’ve been rebutted. And that’s representative of the quality of “evidence” for Holocaust denial. If one is serious about studying the subject, there are oodles of good sites for the purpose, many of them referenced on [this page](http://scienceblogs.com/insolence). If one is not interested in gleaning the truth, one can selectively pick sites (carefully wiping off the drool) that reinforce what one wants to believe. \*from _The Cremation of Sam McGee_ by Robert W. Service, one of two poems I learned by heart. The other is _Jabberwocky_. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/69 "2009-09-28T13:48:00Z")
Anyone have a link to something that addresses the most obvious evidence- lots of Jews in Europe pre-1939, not so many post-1945, accounting for emigration? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/70 "2009-09-28T14:15:05Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Anyone have a link to something that addresses the most obvious evidence- lots of Jews in Europe pre-1939, not so many post-1945, accounting for emigration? There were two or three surveys taken between 1945 and 1947 that came up with varying figures showing a reduction of Jewish population by between 5.5 million nad 5.85 million people. (The “six million” figure is a rounding of those numbers.) However, that does not actually address the OP because Holocaust Deniers sieze on the 11 to 17 million reduction in European population, (where another six million are generally assigned to deliberate murder by the Nazis of Slavs, Rom, homosexuals, communists, people with lower mental functioning, and others), and claim that it was simply the bad results of warfare, including bombing, starvation, disease, etc. The reality is that the Nazis deliberately murdered around 12 million people, roughly half of whom were Jews. The death camps were not even established before the Wannsee Conference, and the Nazis had been happily murdering people using _Einsatzgruppen_ and other efforts for several years prior to the establishment of death camps. Until we see an actual citation for one of **human\_extinction** ’s claims, there is not much point in trying to refute the nonsense attributed to Coles, Smith and Irving. If **human\_extinction** is really a disinterested observer, he might want to consider the Irving situation. Irving put a bunch of the crap that Coles made up along with some of his own nonsense in several books. He was challenged on his claims by Deborah Lipstadt, who pointed out his errors and identified him as a Holocaust Denier. He sued her for libel, filing the suit in Great Britain where the libel laws are strongly in favor of the plaintiff. (The defendant must prove the accuracy of the statements, regardless of any “good faith” errors and regardless whether harm is shown to the plaintiff.) The result of that trial was a complete vindication of Lipstadt with the court finding that she had demonstrated the accuracy of her claims that the Holocaust happened in the way described by mainstream historians and that Irving’s challenges to the Holocaust history were examples of sloppy research or deliberate distortion. ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/71 "2009-09-28T14:17:50Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I hate to ask – but were any of the crematoriums used for live prisoners? This is something that I’ve wanted to ask for a while…but I’ve almost been afraid to. No, that simply wouldn’t work. Even Dachau, Auschwitz-Birkenau and Treblinka inmates had _some_ semblance of normal human reactions left. That’s why there are signed orders for [false shower heads](http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dachau/gas-chamber-02.html) for the [gassing cellar](http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430129-vergasungskeller/) - the victims believed they were about to take a shower, not die. Indeed, it is the very _size_ of the crematoria built by Topf & Sons at Auschwitz-Birkenau which nails the case shut even without all the first-hand reports of both victims and Nazis, demographic evidence and so on. The original crematoria could handle 1500 bodies per month - easily enough to accommodate even large ‘natural’ death artes due to eg. Typhus outbreaks. But the key point is that even this was _nowhere near enough_ for Auschwitz-Birkenau. There is simply no reason whatsoever why the camp should go to the extraordinary effort and expense of building crematoria which could handle a staggering [30000 bodies per month](http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/) if they only expected a fraction of this number of people to actually die. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/72 "2009-09-28T14:22:04Z")
Here are various estimates for the Holocaust death toll: [http://www.holocaust-history.org/~rjg/deaths.shtml](http://www.holocaust-history.org/~rjg/deaths.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/73 "2009-09-28T14:35:20Z")
Maybe this should be a different thread, and maybe asked on different day than today, during which I really should not be playing here and am overdue to get my family going to Services for Yom Kippur, but … What is the appropriate way to respond to people like our op? It is hard to believe that most who at this point are “questioning” the Holocaust are really just a innocently unaware of the reality of the facts as they make out. Is it better to engage with facts and figures and thereby to elevate their position? To create a place in which two POVs have been staked out and some who really do not know conclude that the truth must be somewhere in between? Or to call them out as presumed trolls or anti-Semites? (Speaking hypothetically, not per se about this particular op, mind you.) Or to ignore them? Right now the events of the Holocaust are recent enough that the deniers have a very hard time gaining much traction except among those already predisposed to think that Jews would make this up, but the generation of survivors is dieing off. The deniers lies and accusations of fabrications will be repeated again and again for generations to come. I really do not know how best to respond to that. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/74 "2009-09-28T14:47:10Z")
> [@human\_extinction](#): > > I stumbled across some rather compelling information presented by Holocaust Revisionists, and of course one of the first things I do is post here to see how well it stands up to scrutiny. The newest thread I came across was [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11599457](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11599457) > but alas, most of its scrutiny was in the form of personal attacks. > > The source I found was [http://holocaustdenialvideos.com/](http://holocaustdenialvideos.com/) - and I have not yet found any other compelling sources (though I haven’t done much research as of yet). The videos are definitely worth checking out even if only for the sake of debunking. What is the evidence for gas chambers (rather than showers and delousing houses), deliberate mass extermination (rather than tortuous work camps), and actuary tables for Jews and other victims at the various “death” camps (or what is the evidence debunking the claims that these didn’t take place as officially stated)? > > Honestly, I did not wake up the other day and say, “hey, maybe I should question the holocaust today.” But as someone who considers himself open minded and objective, I have no choice but to leave any reactionary behavior aside for however long it takes to investigate the evidence. I hope you all reply with this in mind. Of course the Holocaust occured. James Baldwin wrote in 1962 “White people were, and are, astounded by the holocaust in Germany. They did not know that they could act that way. But I very much doubt whether black people were astounded.” I’m with him on this one. Personally, I think "Holocaust Denial"is a tactic used by anti-semites to rattle feathers and to draw attention. It’s a shame that it works so well. - Honesty ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/75 "2009-09-28T15:12:21Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Maybe this should be a different thread, and maybe asked on different day than today, during which I really should not be playing here and am overdue to get my family going to Services for Yom Kippur, but … > > What is the appropriate way to respond to people like our op? > > It is hard to believe that most who at this point are “questioning” the Holocaust are really just a innocently unaware of the reality of the facts as they make out. > > Is it better to engage with facts and figures and thereby to elevate their position? To create a place in which two POVs have been staked out and some who really do not know conclude that the truth must be somewhere in between? > > Or to call them out as presumed trolls or anti-Semites? (Speaking hypothetically, not per se about this particular op, mind you.) > > Or to ignore them? > > Right now the events of the Holocaust are recent enough that the deniers have a very hard time gaining much traction except among those already predisposed to think that Jews would make this up, but the generation of survivors is dieing off. The deniers lies and accusations of fabrications will be repeated again and again for generations to come. > > I really do not know how best to respond to that. I’m with Deborah Lipstadt on this. You can’t ‘debate’ these people. Debate requires a certain degree of integrity on both sides, and the deniers possess none of it. Their entire strategy is based on casting doubt rather than attempting anythign like scholarly analysis. It’s based on supposed inconsistencies - and when you argue with one of these clowns, they will pick on the slightest misstatements and magnify them. It is the idea that because a person cannot perfectly remember a time line from 65 years ago, they must be lying about everything that happened to them; because the Soviets initially overstated the deaths at Auschwitz all casualty figures are wrong etc etc. They poison the well for serious debate and analysis. Thier argument that a single inconsistency makes for a fatal error in the entire history prevents any possibility of discussion. Unless they are excluded from the debate, serious analysis of the holocaust becomes impossible. Now, when they take their views to the street, I am all in favor of debating them properly there. ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/76 "2009-09-28T15:30:00Z")
I’ve always thought that the pictures of mounds of dead bodies were quite convincing in themselves. I think that the many allied servicemen who saw it for themselves and were told what happened by the survivors are also quite good evidence. I have spoken to one, my father. I’ll make my declarations,I am not a Jew or as far as I know actually know any Jews. I expect that I’ll get in trouble for this,but anyone who says that the holocaust didn’t happen is a cunt. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/77 "2009-09-28T15:49:32Z")
> [@](#): > > What is the appropriate way to respond to people like our op? > > It is hard to believe that most who at this point are “questioning” the Holocaust are really just a innocently unaware of the reality of the facts as they make out. Confronting their lies serves a purpose. You won’t convince the people who don’t want to be convinced. But there are other people who are genuinely ignorant and may have fallen for a lie just because they haven’t heard the truth. These are the people you want to reach with the facts. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/78 "2009-09-28T15:53:16Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > What is the appropriate way to respond to people like our op? I’d suggest that where there are people “like our OP” (we all know what people like \*him \*believe, never mind what he says, eh?) we should just do what we know “they” deserve to them. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/79 "2009-09-28T16:55:58Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Not so far as any source would support. > > Much of the Nazi methodology of mass extermination was dedicated towards making it as efficient as reasonably possible, and part of that was keeping the victims calm before being murdered. They sometimes even employed other Jews to go in and amongst the groups to be gassed to calm them down and convince them it was a harmless procedure. > > You couldn’t keep people cowed and calm while trying to throw them into ovens. It’d be a gigantic riot. Thank you. I hate to say I’m “relieved”, but I AM glad to learn this. As for the OP, well, apparently he hasn’t heard the saying about having such an open mind that one’s brain falls out. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696/80 "2009-09-28T18:06:10Z")
> [@human\_extinction](#): > > I stumbled across some rather compelling information presented by Holocaust Revisionists, and of course one of the first things I do is post here to see how well it stands up to scrutiny. The newest thread I came across was [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11599457](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11599457) > but alas, most of its scrutiny was in the form of personal attacks. > > The source I found was [http://holocaustdenialvideos.com/](http://holocaustdenialvideos.com/) - and I have not yet found any other compelling sources (though I haven’t done much research as of yet). The videos are definitely worth checking out even if only for the sake of debunking. What is the evidence for gas chambers (rather than showers and delousing houses), deliberate mass extermination (rather than tortuous work camps), and actuary tables for Jews and other victims at the various “death” camps (or what is the evidence debunking the claims that these didn’t take place as officially stated)? > > Honestly, I did not wake up the other day and say, “hey, maybe I should question the holocaust today.” But as someone who considers himself open minded and objective, I have no choice but to leave any reactionary behavior aside for however long it takes to investigate the evidence. I hope you all reply with this in mind. I’m sorry I didn’t get into this earlier, and I haven’t read the whole thread so I apologize if what I’m going to point out has been covered by someone else. But if your OP is sincerely looking for clarification, there’s really only a couple things that need to be said. The OP makes the lamentably common mistake (the fallacy responsible, in large part, for the O.J. acquittal) that evidence is analogous to a chain; that if you can break a single link in this chain you’ve broken the chain and invalidated the evidence. This is not true, by any stretch of the imagination. Finding one piece of evidence–a minor piece, at that–like the details of the showers or the records or whatever–and discovering one aspect of you that you don’t understand, does not in any way whatsoever even begin to undermine the mountains upon mountains of irrefutable that otherwise exist. There is no crime in human history that is more thoroughly documented than the Holocaust. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-holocaust-revisionists-right/511696.md?page=5)