Are the Human Resources people at your office mean?

Just by way of contrast, the last company I worked in, the HR folks were REALLY great. They bent over backwards to be helpful and supportive of the employees. And with all of this, they were also placed in the uncomfortable position of having to be the superiors of record to legal staff who actually had to answer to lawyers – and thus also have to tell the lawyers who hired them off when they deserved it.

I have to say they do a GREAT job of it. One attorney went through four secretaries in less than a year, by being just a major pain in the ass; he was informed, “This next one IS your secretary, so learn to deal with her!” And they then supported the new secretary when she went to him and told him up front what he did wrong with his previous secretary and how things were going to change if she was going to work for him. Last I heard, he was still asking his secretary regularly, “Am I doing better now?” Talk about a major change! :smiley: But without HR support, how many secretaries would be able to do that with their prospective boss?

My personal experience with them started off great, too – I’d been working there less than a month and was still on probation when my father had a stroke that meant he’d be dead in a few days, and I had to take off to the other side of the country on a Sunday evening. They not only didn’t fire me for taking off without saying when I’d be back, they sent flowers to the funeral, they only lengthened my probationary period the three weeks I was out, and they gave me a nice raise at the end of my first year. And when I had to have surgery twice during the three years I worked there, they bent over backwards to make sure I received the maximum benefits I could.

So while I gather that this is the exception, I found them to be probably the most helpful staff group in the firm. (We won’t DISCUSS trying to dig out old files out of Records…)

Good. Now, type it up in triplicate, & send photo copies to everybody in the company. That’s procedure.

quietman1920So, I’m not alone in running across these cozy couples. Good to know. But what makes you so sure your people are 30-50 IQ points smarter than the folks in HR?

pingalondon Thanks for the info.

Neurotik

I never fault someone for bullshit, especially someone in a difficult position. It’s weird that your company policy allows you to do this, but I have no doubt it’s legal.

It’s fortunate that you’re never put in a position of mediating disputes with anyone who could fire you. I’ve seen that, and while I figured (correctly) the person making the case against the bigwig was screwed, I didn’t envy HR.

Our HR department is only one person. Supposedly she’s pretty mean, but I’ve always gotten along with her nicely. Mostly you just have to watch out for when she’s drunk (at the office parties), as she’ll put you in a headlock and try to twist your nose to make the pores pop.

My former company, however, was a joke. The HR people were pleasant enough on an individual basis, but as a group they were a creeping mold that eventually swallowed the whole company. Basically, they looked after their own, viewed the rest of the company as their private food source, and had the final say in hirings and firings. When we had 30 people on the staff, 6 were in HR, which was much more than we needed. As the company started to die, people in every other department were fired left and right, until headcount was down to only 12 people.

And still, 6 in HR.

:smack: It was a company that deserved to die.

Great Clint Eastwood line from one of the Dirty Harry movies, where he was taken off the street and assigned to work in Personnel:

"Personnel? That’s for idiots!"
(His boss, to whom he directed the remark, had come up through Personnel!)

I work for a very large company, so it’s impossible to make sweeping statements about them (well, it’s possible, just inaccurate). The last HR person assigned to our group was wonderful-- she listened, she championed our needs to the decision-makers, she was friendly and she genuinely cared. Then she was offered early retirement out of the blue, so we don’t have her anymore. I haven’t dealt with our new contact yet at all, but she seems nice enough.

There is one thing about the HR department here that’s always bothered me, especially now that heads have been rolling quite a bit in this crap-ass economy: they work 8 hours a day. And only 8 hours. Now, the culture here is that you pretty much always work longer than that. People are scrambling to get new business, to retain clientele, to do anything and everything they can to keep the business viable so that they don’t lose any more friends and colleagues. And then there’s HR, which is out the door at 4:30 on the dot, AND they take a full lunch.

Meanwhile I eat at my desk and feel guilty when I work “only” 8 hours. Doesn’t sit quite right.

A previous company that I worked for didn’t have a very good HR department. They weren’t actively mean (that I caught) - but they were completely distant and unhelpful, would not return calls, never seemed to now anything, and could not remember an employee’s name from one month to the next.

At my current company, on the other hand, the HR people (at least the ones in our building, can’t speak for our other locations) are genuinely helpful, and will go ask around on questions they can’t answer. They’ll stop every so often when they see you and ask how you’re doing. Couldn’t ask for a nicer set of people.

Two people, by the way, at a site much larger than the 30 that Sublight describes (whoa, you know there’s a problem when you see that). We did have layoffs in the last year, and the HR department was scaled down as well.

HR strikes me as inherrently evil. A group of half-wits deciding people’s future based on a series of buzzwords, school names and arbitrary criteria. They basically dictate how you are supposed to look, act, and dress and behave. They provide you a forum to raise issues while simultaneously using that information against you. They help the company create a facade to protect itself from lawsuits. Maybe that’s why every HR person I ever met struck me as two-faced, petty and manipulitive.

You know, the Nazis had policies and procedures for characterising people into convenient groups in order to determine how they would be processed.

Yeah. They had pieces of flair too.

I almost started a pit thread today about my HR department. I’ll just calmly explain here.

I’m currently living and teaching in England. The school year here ends July 24. I will be returning to Georgia July 25 to start back at my old school on July 28. I called the Human Resources Department today to make sure they received my signed contract. When I casually mentioned to her that I would not be present at the New Teacher Orientation because a) I’m not a new teaher b) I won’t be in the country and c) I went through the NTO two years ago, she friggin’ flipped her nut! She said, “You WILL be there. It’s mandatory. No exceptions.” I just said, “That’s all well and good, but I’m not going to be there. Period.” She proceeded to try and browbeat me into it…as if I was just being difficult! I’m in another country, woman! What is so hard to understand about that? On top of that, she’s asking me to breach my current contract, which I’m not about to do.

In a nutshell, yes, I find HR people to be complete toe rags.

I gotta say, having spent a number of years in Human Resources in a variety of capacities, I’m a little grumpy about the generalizations being thrown around here. I might gently suggest that those who say HR is good-for-nothing might try working in that functional area for a while before passing such judgements.

Because here’s the thing: It’s a totally thankless role.

In HR, you’re pulled in several directions simultaneously. There are umpteen zillion regulations that have to be followed in everything from compensation to hiring to benefits, and HR is expected to (1) be the experts and (2) force everybody to comply. Think about the role of the police in society; we all know they’re necessary, but most people fear and distrust them at least to a small extent, even though it’s irrational. What’s worse, all of these regulations are insanely complicated, and vary widely from state to state, and change on a regular basis. In short, most people know HR as the department that tells you not what you can do, but what you can’t do, and the fact that this is based on corporate interpretation of government regulation doesn’t make it any easier to cope with. You’re hating the messenger, in other words.

Secondarily, HR is generally viewed by executive management as a necessary evil. They’re one of the few functions in an organization that cannot be measured as generating revenue; they’re a black hole of cost. An intelligent HR leader can attempt to quantify financial value of his or her work (e.g., this program with a cost of X increased employee retention by N percent, which saved us Y dollars in recruiting and turnover cost, for a net gain of Z), but even in an ideal world those numbers are never any better than soft. Hence you’re working in an environment of grudging acceptance to begin with.

Then those executives, unable to clearly define what HR exactly does, starts to use them as a mouthpiece for their own idiotic policies. At the five companies where I did HR time, the dress code policy — one of the common things that people complain HR likes to pointlessly regulate — came directly from the CEO’s office, not from HR. We were expected to take the CEO’s casually-tossed-off directive, put it into an enforceable policy (based on federal laws about grooming, religious wear, uniforms, and so on), and disseminate it to staff. That was a no-win proposition from the moment the idea flew from each CEO’s mouth: He would invariably be dissatisfied with the policy as written (because it wasn’t as simple as his ideal, even though it wasn’t legally enforceable) and would constantly tweak it, and regular employees would see only a monthly memo with HR at the top that attempts to clarify some insignificant point or other because some wiseacre in Facilities decided to tweak the previous policy by looking for an unspecified loophole (one guy wrote profanity on his shoes and said, hey, the policy said only no obscenity on shirts, so you can’t get me in trouble, ha ha). Again, you’re hating the messenger.

Basically, what you have in HR is a deep dichotomy of purpose: On the one hand, you’re trying to protect the company from liability; you don’t want employees injured on the job, and you don’t want managers telling applicants “I like your resume, but we think you’re too old” (which happened at one company I worked for), and you want to make sure you’re paying everybody more or less what they deserve given the marketplace, and so on. But on the other hand, you get into HR because you really like working with people, and you want to do “soft” work with employee relations and benefits and career pathing and that sort of thing. You sit at your desk all day long, thinking, “I’d really like to tell everybody ‘yes,’ but my job requires me to tell everybody ‘no.’ Oh, and crap, now we have to lay off a hundred people for no particular reason other than the CEO’s motivation magazine said it would be a good idea this quarter.”

Eventually, I couldn’t take it any more, and I got out. I do databases now. With the perspective I have, the stuff coming out of HR makes a lot more sense. I can see how somebody who doesn’t understand the function could think it’s stupid, but I know better. I’m not saying any particular HR department might not be bad; I’m just standing in opposition to the mindless generalization that they’re all bad.

In my years in HR, I rarely worked fewer than 50 hours a week. Usually more. Because of what I said above, regarding the department being a black hole of cost, the executives did everything they could to staff us with the absolute minimum number of people they could without stressing us out so much we’d throw ourselves off the roof. I suspect your department is an exception.

My HR ppl are super nice (I work in accounting) and i think its reflective with the ppl that work here too because everyone is helpful. We had a workload meeting and HR was there and when they heard how late I am staying everyday they said they dont want this to happen, a little bit of overtime is okay but everyday for months is not good for me, so they have given me help and they are looking to hire more help and they promoted someone so that she can help some of us that have heavy workloads due to staff being off on long term disability. Im kind of surprised in some ways because when i was hired I was told that everyone here works really hard, but there is the open door when things arent working to get relief. But recruiting talent here is essential and so HR plays an important role in this company and thats why I guess they are so friendly.

That they made the Jews wear…

Anyway-uh-OK-must be the minority here, but
NO our HR people are not mean!
Well, one girl’s kinda snotty, but that’s just her natural personality.
She’s still pleasant, if fake, in a corporate context.
The rest of 'em are just as nice, genuine and helpful as can be (I’ve been there 7 years so I can comfortably say that I’m not being snowed-they really are a great buncha people).
Frankly, I’m surprised that so many of your experiences are different.
For cripes sake! These people have a job solely so that you and I don’t sue the company. How do they effectively discourage such
animosity if they’re jerkoffs?
:confused:

Ours have always seemed nice to me. Our workplace is a mid-sized (~600) portion of a huge corporation, so we definitely have an HR presence.

It seems to me that the greatest complaint against them is a lack of effectiveness when dealing with conflict. For example, there are countless stories of serious sexual harrassment being swept under the rug – the woman given a new boss – because the perpetrator is a valuable asset to the company. Most of these are friend-of-a-friend material, but if you are around long enough, it happens to somebody who is a close friend.

Oh yes. A few months ago we were sent to some type of sensitivity training (coupled with the prior week’s “diversity” training). In this closed room session, our nice HR lady pretty much told everybody that if they feel uncomfortable for any reason whatsoever, go directly to HR; there is no need to even try to resolve the issue with the offender. That was a displeasing message. Suppose I make a joke and a co-worker interprets it as harrassment and tells on me… I could be in trouble without having ever had the chance to explain my joke and apologize. That one meeting put a barrier between myself and HR, when it was likely intended to open the channels of communication.

Most of them seem nice until you quit or get laid off. Then they either treat you as if you betrayed the company of stole the company payrole.

Our HR people aren’t evil or mean, but they are dumb as a bag of hammers (and that’s when you put them all together). They’re nice people but, not to put too fine a point on anything, they don’t know shit from shinola. Also, they are lazy.

Example: I came to my current employer from an insurance company. There, my specialty was plan administration - benefits, enrollments, etc. HR knew that because they did a background check and everything, plus besides to which, it was something that I talked to my HR rep about when I started here. (She was actually asking ME questions about what certain benefit terms meant on my first day.)

A week after I started I got all my paperwork to fill out to enroll for benefits. I asked a bunch of questions about different kinds of coverage. Granted, some of them are questions that “normal” people who did not work in insurance would think to ask, but I am married and have some coverage under my husband and wanted to make sure that (a) we were getting the best deal, and (b) that we weren’t duplicating anything.

The answers that I got were complete non-answers: “Um, I don’t know, nobody’s ever asked that before. … Um, I don’t know who to ask for that information. … Um, no, we can’t tell you where you can look it up yourself, that’s our job.” I talked to people both on the phone AND in person. I felt like I was in a Laurel and Hardy sketch: “What is the major medical deductible?” “What is a deductible?” “That’s what I’m asking you.” “What do you mean?” “No, what do YOU mean?”

I never did get my questions answered, but I turned in my forms anyway. Then I got the forms returned to me because - wait until you hear this one - “they always get returned.” I asked why, and after two weeks of sending the forms in and getting them back repeatedly, I finally found out that it was because …

… nobody had ever filled out the forms correctly on the first try, and the HR manager didn’t know what to do with them.

See, not necessarily evil, but clueless and lazy.

I work at a college and the HR people are, for the most part, very nice although very “careful” seeming. It’s the accounts payable people who are mean. They act like the checks they’re writing are their own money. And the one HR person who is a little mean is the compensation lady. Again, it’s the money.

Have you ever seen some of the requests for funds that faculty and division heads try to pass off? Dammit, i’m glad that someone is keeping track…tuition is high enough without people trying to pass it off as their own personal slush fund. ‘Hey, let’s charge out lunch for the whole office to the Fine Arts budget!’ wtf?

-stonebow, who runs special events/ conference services at his college and tries to never overspend bcause his student staff bitches at him over it

My “HR department” is the office manager. We’re a small firm. She has no background in HR at all. And It Shows. She scolds employees in front of other employees, makes them feel really stupid for even small mistakes, and sometimes pulls them up just for the sake of pulling them up, when they haven’t actually done anything wrong at all. The turnover in our company has increased dramatically since she started there, and the owner refuses to acknowledge that she is the reason, although I know for a fact that several ex-employees have told the owner that.

I’m fortunate in that although she is technically my boss the nature of my position is that she doesn’t really oversee my work so I manage to escape her wrath and, in fact, she’s usually quite lovely to me. But I see how she is with the lower-level staff and it infuriates me.

I work for a huge international company, and our HR people are bloody fantastic!

Being in upper-management I couldn’t live without them.

They are always there for me, return my calls within the day and always have time for me and my staff.

I don’t really know them personally and they never pass judgement on myself or the situation.

They have a lot on their plate and yet never seem rushed.

They are true professionals.

And no I am not in HR myself and have nothing to gain by raving about them. I am just grateful we have such a great HR team, and our whole company feels the same. In fact we partitioned to have our HR Manager to have a larger team, because we were worried she had too much on her plate. Luckily she got 2 assistants as a result. Now she can have a day off.