# Are the Iraqi insurgents like "Red Dawn"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 25, 2004, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-iraqi-insurgents-like-red-dawn/261483 "2004-08-25T18:43:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-iraqi-insurgents-like-red-dawn/261483/61 "2004-08-27T10:44:27Z")
**Moderator’s Note:** **Ryan\_Liam** (and actually, anyone else who’s doing this), if you’re quoting two different posters in one post, it’s helpful to use the [quote=name of poster] tags to keep them straight. You don’t have to use the poster name tag for every block, but at least at every point where the person you’re addressing changes: > [@Chicken Little](#): > > The sky is falling! Cite? > [@](#): > > We’re all doomed! There you go again. > [@Pollyanna](#): > > Everything will be just peachy. Well, I wouldn’t go _that_ far either. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2004, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-iraqi-insurgents-like-red-dawn/261483/62 "2004-09-12T02:12:36Z")
[QUOTE=SimonX] What have you used to make you assessment of (a) the sympathy ‘he’ (Sadr?) has and (b) the numbers who care if ‘he’ (Sadr?) “succeeds or not”? The most recent CPA poll shows: 97% believe Coalition Forces are occupiers and must leave immediately 55% answered that they’d feel more safe if Coalition Forces left immediately As far as Sadr’s goal is to remove the Coalition force from Iraq it would appear that he has more than a few sympathizers. Sadr garnered support numbers of 68% (35 ‘strongly’, 32 ‘somewhat’) and oppose numbers of 29% (10 ‘strongly’, 19 'somewhat) These numbers are nearly the inverse of Allawi’s (23 suport, 61 oppose). **[Public Opinion in Iraq](http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5217741/site/newsweek/)** [QUOTE] I counter that with this > **[15\_03\_04\_iraqsurvey.pdf](https://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_03_04_iraqsurvey.pdf)** ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2004, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-iraqi-insurgents-like-red-dawn/261483/63 "2004-09-13T13:31:41Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > I counter that with this > > [http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15\_03\_04\_iraqsurvey.pdf](http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_03_04_iraqsurvey.pdf) Any particular part that’s relevant to the point your trying to make? If there is, could you quote that section? ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2004, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-iraqi-insurgents-like-red-dawn/261483/64 "2004-09-13T14:12:09Z")
As far as I can tell, this poll (which pre-dates the one that I cited by four months and is thus even farther removed from the current conditions) says that Mr. Sadr has abut three times the trust that Mr. Allawi has. So, depending on what you were getting at, “counter” might not be the best choice of words. Maybe ‘support’ would be more appropriate- as in, “I support that with this.” Have you given anymore thought as to the implications of Clwyd’s apparent dishonesty? Still on the Road, SimonX [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-the-iraqi-insurgents-like-red-dawn/261483.md?page=3)