It’s one thing to make a mistake. It’s another to double and triple down on it once your mistake is pointed out. And then to say that other mods agreed with you takes this to another level.
Is this a woosh? Because that’s not at all what happened.
There is no rule against betting in the forum he posted in.
Interesting take considering Chronos himself said
The relevant facts are that, first, the rule against betting does not, in fact, apply to the Game Room, but that second, in the post in question, UltraVires clearly stated that it was his belief that it did apply. By engaging in behavior that he stated to be against board rules, he undermined the rules of the board and was unnecessarily provocative. Therefore, the warning stands.
So according to Chronos if I say “I think it is against the rules to say “stupid” in a post but your post is stupid.” I would get a warning because I violated a rule that I made up and isn’t really a rule because I thought I was violating a rule. And that doesn’t even address the point that UV (if I’m reading the post correctly) said “I think A is violating the rules so I won’t do that. Instead I think the SD allows B so I’m going to do that instead.”
If you think you are breaking a rule, and proceed do so deliberately, would you call that jerkish behavior?
That’s not what happened. Go back and read the post UV wrote.
That’s the point. He never said that. What he said was
That very clearly is saying that he is not sure if what he posted is against the rules or not. @UltraVires clearly does not see the charity thing as a bet, but as something different.
I’m personally against both, and wish they were against the rules, for the reasons I said in the other thread. I also think UV sometimes posts disingenuously and should be moderated for such.
Yet even I think this is a ridiculous ruling.
Well, because Little Nemo and Czarcasm do not appear to have read the actual post in question, here it is in its entirety:
You think these changes will be temporary? I know we are not allowed to bet, but I’m not sure if we are allowed to donate to a charity. If we are, how about $20 to a charity of your choice if the DH in the National League and a runner on 2nd in extra innings disappear after this year. If they remain next year, then $20 to the charity of my choice. If this is against the rules, then I retract and just pretend it I didn’t say it.
UltraVires does NOT – in any way – say “It’s illegal but I’m doing it anyway.” He carefully and pointedly and repeated says he does not want to violate the rules.
“…if we are allowed to donate to a charity”
“…If we are”
“…If this is against the rules then I retract…”
Chronos ignored all of those words. Why? I believe he is just under lot of deadlines right now, but some mod needs to step up and do the right thing.
According to Chronos they did step up and said he was correct. That no other mod has confirmed or denied this but according to precedent if a mod messes up it is dealt with in the Star Chamber where us peasants are kept uninformed.
Actually, I was responding to this statement that immediately preceded my own:
Okay, I went back and read the posts in question.
I thought the rule was that betting was not allowed in any forum. Other people also seemed to think this was the rule. And judging by what they wrote, UltraVires and Chronos seemed to think it was the rule.
So when UltraVires made a bet (and that was what he did) it was a reasonable conclusion that he was breaking a rule and doing so knowingly. Chronos’ warning was justified.
When this decision was later reviewed, the people involved discovered that the rule did not prohibit betting in the Game Room forum. I feel therefore that while UltraVires’ post may have been a bad idea it wasn’t a violation of the rules. So I now agree the warning should have been withdrawn.
You are incorrect. This has already been explained.
That seems like a pretty clear statement that he thought betting was against the rules.
Selective quoting changes meaning. News at 10.
While we’re not writing in German and stashing the verb at the end of the sentence, it’s generally advisable, even if it’s just English, to read and understand the entire sentence before jumping over here to write about what you think it means.
Again, other posters in this thread have already explained why you’re wrong.
The part I quoted answered the question.
It’s true that immediately after stating he knew he wasn’t allowed to make a bet, UltraVires went on to try to place a bet. Because what he proposed was still a bet even if he was trying to use different words to describe it.
It seems to me that mods have been more in the “circle the wagons” mode when they make mistakes than they used to be, and that at least some mods don’t take criticism of their mod behavior kindly. It seems some of them would rather treat posters badly than admit to an error.
So it will not surprise me if some mod comes along and says there is something wrong with this discussion (more double-talk is what I would expect) and the thread will be closed and the subject ruled off limits.
How long are posts in this thread going to demand that a warning that was rescinded hours go be rescinded?
This was posted 5 hours ago and TubaDiva posted the same information in the Chronos and Betting thread around the same time.
This is the post-game recap with color commentary.
We don’t need multiple threads on the same topic. This one is closed.