# Are there any "good" options for pro-Palestine voters (as opposed to "choose between bad vs. worse") **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 24, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714 "2024-04-24T22:30:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/131 "2024-04-27T20:44:46Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Given the luxury of hindsight that we have, when has there ever been a _good_ choice? > > Name a candidate that’s considered good that didn’t have ‘baggage’? > Kennedy? Vietnam. > Johnson? Vietnam and his racist tendencies (despite being the President that finally freed the slaves). > Clinton? Do I need to? Yep, every presidential choice has been a case of "suck it up, buttercup’ and vote for the least bad choice. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/132 "2024-04-27T21:07:38Z")
In 2016 I voted for the pothead. I had many reasons why I was not happy with Clinton and the party. There was no way I was voting for Trump. But this is important. There was no way my state was going for Trump. Protest vote to your heart’s content if you’re not in a battleground state. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/133 "2024-04-27T21:32:43Z")
I don’t understand why two _small_ countries so far away should have the power to turn United States politics upside down. There are 334,000,000 Americans who have tons of issues and needs that have _nothing_ to do with those two small countries. The best thing the United States and the entire rest of the world could do would be to butt out of the situation entirely and let the two sides sort things out on their own. Instead, too many outsiders who have really nothing to do with Israel and Palestine meddle in the problem to exploit it for their own interests. Israel has Evangelical remoras sucking on it and Palestine has Communist remoras sucking on it. They both suck. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/134 "2024-04-27T21:53:49Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > I don’t understand why two _small_ countries so far away should have the power to turn United States politics upside down. There are 334,000,000 Americans who have tons of issues and needs that have _nothing_ to do with those two small countries. True. - **Roevember** to vote! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/135 "2024-04-27T22:01:34Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Palestine has Communist remoras sucking on it. Say what now? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/136 "2024-04-28T01:58:24Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > A vote is the ultimate in pragmatic actions: you think that by voting, things will be less worse than if you don’t vote. Yeah, I never really vote to maximize results in national elections - I vote to minimize damage. Not just this election, but every national election (local elections may vary on a case by case basis, though it’s usually much the same). However I get that some folk regard that as insufferably defeatist compromise and refuse to think that way. I sometimes wonder how much of that is just inborn personality as much as it is reasoned analysis. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/137 "2024-04-28T02:33:16Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > However I get that some folk regard that as insufferably defeatist compromise and refuse to think that way. The frustrating thing is that voting is like 0.01% of what a person should be doing, anyway. It’s a really important bit, but it takes twenty minutes, and there’s the whole rest of the year to be doing the other stuff. I don’t think it’s defeatist at all to say, for this one specific action, minimize harm, and then go do all the actions that might actually make things better. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/138 "2024-04-28T03:01:45Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > I don’t understand why two _small_ countries so far away should have the power to turn United States politics upside down. There are 334,000,000 Americans who have tons of issues and needs that have _nothing_ to do with those two small countries And the war in Gaza isn’t going to be the deciding issue for most Americans. But the question in the OP asked, what if that IS your issue. And there are a lot of Americans with family or other connections in that region. Plus the end-of-time Christians, i guess. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/139 "2024-04-29T23:49:55Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > The _pressure_ they’re exerting on him is _not voting_ for him. Pressure that he won’t feel. When have protest votes ever worked to change things? Here’s an opinion piece that outlines what Biden is trying to achieve in that part of the world: > **[Opinion | Israel Has a Choice to Make: Rafah or Riyadh](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/opinion/israel-war-rafah-riyadh.html?unlocked_article_code=1.n00.liXX.SYsZhQldkpE2&smid=url-share)** > > Israel is facing one of the most fateful choices it has ever had to make. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/140 "2024-04-30T10:28:04Z")
The answer to the OP is no. We’re taking a lot of words to say it, but the answer is one word: No. It sucks, life ain’t fair, better luck next time. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/141 "2024-05-01T12:45:02Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > The answer to the OP is no. We’re taking a lot of words to say it, but the answer is one word: No. It sucks, life ain’t fair, better luck next time. Which is just untrue. Biden’s a better person and better at President-ing. Therefore he’s the better choice for Palestine. The 100% starkly best choice? No. But better. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Say what now? Well, not Communists but Putin are pushing the conflict as a wedge issue. I think that’s what they’re referencing. > **[Russia is trying to exploit America's divisions over the war in Gaza](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/russia-trying-exploit-americas-divisions-war-gaza-rcna149759)** > > The effort includes artificial intelligence, fake social media accounts and a spike in state-sponsored Russian propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/142 "2024-05-01T13:05:27Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > > [@Johanna](#): > > > > The answer to the OP is no. We’re taking a lot of words to say it, but the answer is one word: No. It sucks, life ain’t fair, better luck next time. > > Which is just untrue. Biden’s a better person and better at President-ing. Therefore he’s the better choice for Palestine. The 100% starkly best choice? No. But better. Better than Trump? Sure. Good? No. Should you vote for the lesser evil? Absolutely. Should you feel warm and fuzzy that you are cutting for a good guy? Well, that’s up to you. But I’m not going to criticize a pro-Palestinian voter who holds their nose. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/143 "2024-05-01T20:45:55Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Which is just untrue. Biden’s a better person and better at President-ing. Therefore he’s the better choice for Palestine. Biden has pressured Netanyahu for a cease fire. He approved 1Billion usd in aid for Gaza. He is spending nearly that on a pier for the refugees so that the aid can actually get to them. Biden has helped the Palestinians. trump will not. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > Good? No. How is what I posted above not “good”. What else could Biden do within the limits of his office? And no, he can not cut off military aid to Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/144 "2024-05-01T21:18:21Z")
Any pro-Palestinian voter who doesn’t vote for Biden is voting to making life worse for Palestinians than it would be under Biden. Makes me think their stance might be more performative than sincere. ---
**Author:** ![Mdm.President](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@Mdm.President](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mdm.President)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/145 "2024-05-31T15:00:08Z")
I’ve gotten the impression that they’ve given up on being able to turn this horse around and are ready for it to burn to the ground so it can be rebuilt. The fastest way to do that is another Trump presidency. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/146 "2024-05-31T20:30:05Z")
By that time there wont be any Palestinians for them to be concerned over. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714.md?page=6)