# Are there, in fact, suspicious deaths of people associated with the Clintons? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619 "2019-08-13T17:58:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/21 "2019-08-13T21:35:22Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Ok, name three deaths linked to Poppy Bush, not counting in his foreign wars. I’ll wait. > > Then find me one connected to Obama that wasn’t a drone strike nor the killing of Qaddafi. > > Seriously, are you trying to make the conspiracy theory case through reverse psychology? Poppy Bush was director of the CIA. Obviously all the people he had killed were so expertly covered up that we don’t even know their names!:eek: ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/22 "2019-08-13T21:40:42Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Ok, name three deaths linked to Poppy Bush, not counting in his foreign wars. I’ll wait. > > Then find me one connected to Obama that wasn’t a drone strike nor the killing of Qaddafi. > > Seriously, are you trying to make the conspiracy theory case through reverse psychology? from Bush Sr. cabinet Kemp, Eagleburger and Derwinski are all dead so there’s 3. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/23 "2019-08-13T21:41:58Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Off the top of my head: > > Vince Foster killed himself after following the Clintons to DC. > Seth Rich was shot in the back, perhaps in an attempted robbery. > People have also tried to tie the Clintons to the plane crash that killed Ron Brown. > > Are all of these a stretch? I guess. But there are actual deaths of actual Clinton or DNC associates that could be incorporated into a conspiracy theory. If you believe even a little bit in the Seth Rich CT, you are a fucking asshole. I know people who were friends with him and can testify that you nutjobs have made a family’s grief immeasurably worse. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/24 "2019-08-13T21:43:03Z")
I thought this started in the pit, because the tenor of the first few posts was absolutely spot-on. Fuck off, you miserable fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/25 "2019-08-13T21:45:22Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Conspiracy theories are taking over the world. I thought SDMB might be safe, but, nope. :smack: Velocity’s schtick has always been JAQ’ing off. He’s not at all representative of the dope. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/26 "2019-08-13T21:49:08Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Velocity’s schtick has always been JAQ’ing off. He’s not at all representative of the dope. This isn’t the only CT topic currently active on SDMB. Take a look at the shit sagerat is spewing about politicians marrying their brothers. I just finished listening to the second podcast season of Bundyville and it seems CT are one of the bigger problems we are facing. Hell, we have a dumbshit president that seems to make a hobby of propagating them. Can’t we keep them out of these boards? Pretty please! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/27 "2019-08-13T21:52:54Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Can’t we keep them out of these boards? Pretty please! ☹ And forgo the semi-annual ‘Point and Laugh at the 9/11 Truther’ thread? Surely you can’t be serious! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/28 "2019-08-13T21:53:16Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > It has long been a conservative meme/joke that if you have dirt on the Clintons, you’ll die an untimely death (i.e., the joke sign above deer roadkill reading “Snitched on Hillary,” the Babylon Bee satire article "[CDC: Those with Dirt on Clintons have 843% Higher Risk of Suicide"](https://babylonbee.com/news/cdc-people-dirt-clintons-843-greater-risk-suicide), etc.) - but how statistically true is this? Is it just bitter right-wing fearmongering or is there actually truth to it? > Edit: Forgot to add, of course, the ongoing theories about Jeff Epstein being murdered because he knew a lot of things about the Clintons - theories which are almost certainly nonsense, but have been fueled by these longstanding rumors about deaths involving Clinton associates or acquaintances. Stale work, troll. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/29 "2019-08-13T22:00:22Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > OK, found a list: > > [CBS News | Breaking news, top stories & today’s latest headlines](https://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/the-list-of-clinton-associates-whove-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/) Barry seal? Really? Barry Seal used to fly planes full of cocaine for the columbian medellian cartel. He got arrested and turned states evidence against the cartel in exchange for leniency. He was then murdered by columbian hitmen. How does that have anything to do with the Clintons? It sounds like they’re just taking everyone who died of both natural and unnatural causes who knew the clintons in any way, and claiming they were murdered. The Seth Rich conspiracy is being pushed by Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/30 "2019-08-13T22:01:10Z")
For people like me that cringe and hit the back button whenever we click a link here that goes to a YouTube video, Snopes has a good article. > **[Clinton Body Bags](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/clinton-body-bags/)** > > Decades-old political rumor claims Bill Clinton quietly did away with several dozen people who possessed incriminating evidence about him. There are some amazing stretches. A young woman that was a former intern was killed in a coffee shop robbery. Her first name began with M, so the kooks speculate that this was a failed hit on Monica Lewinsky. A random dentist was killed in a plane crash. The guy has no connection to Clinton. But the kooks speculate that he was ready to spill some dirt on Clinton. There is no evidence that he even knew Clinton. Clinton’s mom’s chiropractor made the list. Two teenaged boys involved in drug dealing were killed rather gruesomely in Arkansas. The kooks speculate that they witnessed Clinton wrongdoing and were murdered for that. There is no evidence of any connection to Clinton but Arkansas. Then there is a whole slew of “suspicious deaths” related to these two boys, because they had ties to some really nasty people. So those are listed as suspicious Clinton related deaths. TLDR: most of it is made up. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/31 "2019-08-13T22:03:18Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Hell, there are suspicious deaths associated with me, and I expect every other person on the planet. If you look herd enough you’ll find a second cousin or an old classmate that died in a weird way or with odd circumstances. Of the five men I’ve been involved with (dated/lived with/married to) in the last 40 years, four of them are dead.\* Is it any wonder I can’t get a date. :dubious: - Of course, one of them, would be 99 if he were alive today, but hey-- that’s no excuse. ---
**Author:** ![road\_lobo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@road\_lobo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/road_lobo)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/32 "2019-08-13T22:08:57Z")
> [@Mikemike2](#): > > 100% of people die within 6 months of their birthday, don’t they? It depends on what the definition of “is” is. > **[February 29](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_29)** > > February 29 is a leap day (or "leap year day")—an intercalary date added periodically to create leap years in the Julian and Gregorian calendars. It is the 60th day of a leap year in both Julian and Gregorian calendars, and 306 days remain until the end of the leap year. It is the last day of February in leap years, with the exception of 1712 in Sweden. It is also the last day of meteorological winter in the Northern Hemisphere and the last day of meteorological summer in the Southern Hemisphe... ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/33 "2019-08-13T22:10:06Z")
Is there a similar list for Trump ‘victims’? If there isn’t one, we should start it: His brother Roy Cohn ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/34 "2019-08-13T22:13:42Z")
The grandaddy(?) of these Lists of Suspicious Deaths is the one of Kennedy assassination witnesses, first compiled by Penn Jones and later by Jim Marrs. As [this article](http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/deaths.htm) points out, it’s an enormous stretch to link all these dead people together (my favorite is the Chief Steward on Air Force One :eek:). There’s also the currently popular [Holistic Doctor Murder Conspiracy](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/holistic-doctor-death-conspiracy/), flogged by such impeccable sources as Health Nut News. The biggest problem with the Clinton Hit List is that Bill and Hillary have been so spectacularly bad at covering up episodes of sleaze that fall far short of murder, it strains credulity that they or their minions could kill off anyone and have it remain a secret for more than five minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/35 "2019-08-13T22:23:08Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > from Bush Sr. cabinet Kemp, Eagleburger and Derwinski are all dead so there’s 3. Not to mention his failed attempt to off Reagan and become President. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/36 "2019-08-13T22:47:07Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Not to mention his failed attempt to off Reagan and become President. True fact; the Bush family and the Hinckley family are close friends. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/37 "2019-08-13T23:21:06Z")
> [@](#): > > On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero. I looked it up. It’s true. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/38 "2019-08-14T00:13:43Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > The grandaddy(?) of these Lists of Suspicious Deaths is the one of Kennedy assassination witnesses, first compiled by Penn Jones and later by Jim Marrs. The great-granddaddy is the Curse of Tutankhamun. > **[Curse of the pharaohs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_pharaohs)** > > The curse of the pharaohs or the mummy's curse is a curse alleged to be cast upon anyone who disturbs the mummy of an ancient Egyptian, especially a pharaoh. This curse, which does not differentiate between thieves and archaeologists, is claimed to cause bad luck, illness, or death. Since the mid-20th century, many authors and documentaries have argued that the curse is 'real' in the sense of having scientifically explicable causes such as bacteria, fungi or radiation. However, the modern origi... The way that people took every death of anyone related to the opening of Tut’s tomb, and used each as evidence that the curse is real, is exactly the same thing people are doing with the Clintons. And it’s no more credible now than it was in the 1920’s, when newspapers used that nonsense to try to tell eye-grabbing stories of ancient magic. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/39 "2019-08-14T01:43:47Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Ok, name three deaths linked to Poppy Bush, not counting in his foreign wars. I’ll wait. > > Then find me one connected to Obama that wasn’t a drone strike nor the killing of Qaddafi. > > Seriously, are you trying to make the conspiracy theory case through reverse psychology? I admit I can’t off the top of my head, but on the otherhand if it wasn’t for the Clinton death connection as repeated over and over by the right wing smear machine, I wouldn’t know about the deaths of any of the three people you mentioned as being associated with Clinton. And don’t worry Obama’s got his own[list](https://socialismisnottheanswer.wordpress.com/the-obama-death-pool-mysterious-deaths-surround-obama/). ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619/40 "2019-08-14T01:48:44Z")
This morning, one of the guys who volunteers at the museum where I work brought in a large, lovingly-curated collection of anti-Clinton bumper stickers. As soon as I could I dashed off an anonymous note to the Clintons, letting them know where they could find him. I guess we’ll see. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-in-fact-suspicious-deaths-of-people-associated-with-the-clintons/838619.md?page=3)