# Are there sexual practices which automatically imply mental illness? (Possible TMI) **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 11, 2006, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061 "2006-07-11T17:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/61 "2006-07-12T00:50:56Z")
Now I wishI hadn’t told the story…do you guys think we can get back to talking about the question in the thread title, and forget the dog anecdote? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/62 "2006-07-12T00:58:02Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] Now I wishI hadn’t told the story…do you guys think we can get back to talking about the question in the thread title, and forget the dog anecdote? [/QUOTE] I don’t think we can EVER forget that story, regardless of how hard we try. ---
**Author:** ![stuyguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@stuyguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stuyguy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/63 "2006-07-12T02:39:59Z")
Okay, it must be asked: Did they do it doggie style? I’m actually not kidding here. When I envisioned this taking place, I pictured the woman on her back so she could face, hold and control the dog’s pelvic action. Then it occurred to me that dogs probably are not comfortable being manipulated that way; they probably want to be in a natural doggie position when they’re doing their doggie love moves. But that would give the woman little direct control. So, I thought, let me ask and find out. ---
**Author:** ![Mirror\_Image\_egamI\_rorriM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e56c9b/32.png) [@Mirror\_Image\_egamI\_rorriM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mirror_Image_egamI_rorriM)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/64 "2006-07-12T02:49:24Z")
She actually said she considered herself married to the dog? That’s pretty delusional. I’d call that mentally ill, if she really did say she was married to the dog. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/65 "2006-07-12T02:52:42Z")
[QUOTE=stuyguy] Okay, it must be asked: Did they do it doggie style? I’m actually not kidding here. When I envisioned this taking place, I pictured the woman on her back so she could face, hold and control the dog’s pelvic action. Then it occurred to me that dogs probably are not comfortable being manipulated that way; they probably want to be in a natural doggie position when they’re doing their doggie love moves. But that would give the woman little direct control. So, I thought, let me ask and find out. [/QUOTE] I’ll try to answer as non-grossly as possible. Actually now that I think on it there is no non-gross answer. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/66 "2006-07-12T02:55:22Z")
[QUOTE=Mirror Image egamI rorriM] She actually said she considered herself married to the dog? That’s pretty delusional. I’d call that mentally ill, if she really did say she was married to the dog. [/QUOTE] Looking at my diary entry for that day, I see that she did say that, but it was uttered, I noted then, in a very smart-ass POV. As I mentioned she was mocking me for being far less GGG on the issue than I usually present myself. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/67 "2006-07-12T03:05:13Z")
She fucked a Weimaraner? Dude, that’s just _wrong._ I could see maybe doing a collie, or a German shepherd, but a Weimaraner? Those dogs are _fugly_. Seriously, though, I don’t think her bestiality, while nasty, is a mental illness. However, the way she decided to share that with you raises a lot of flags for me. What’s wrong with just saying, “I like to fuck my dog?” (I mean, aside from the obvious.) I’m pretty tolerant about most people’s sexual kinks, but not at the expense of boundaries. Kath involved you in her sex life without your permission, and in a very invasive, discomforting way. That is absolutely not cool, nor is the way she mocked you for your reaction. I’d say that is, if not a sign of mental illness, at the very least a sign of her being a titanic bitch. BTW, did she know about your dog phobia before she performed her little show? You should totally send this into Savage Love, too. He hasn’t done any good beastiality columns in a while. ---
**Author:** ![stuyguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@stuyguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stuyguy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/68 "2006-07-12T03:09:15Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] I’ll try to answer as non-grossly as possible. Actually now that I think on it there is no non-gross answer. [/QUOTE] Hey, **StR** , no need to be squeemish, at least as far as I’m concerned. Put the reply in a spoiler box, for the faint at heart. Frankly, I’m having no TMI-overload issues here because I’ve known my share of dog-crazy women. One of them, I estimated at 50-50 odds was doing _something_ sexual with her dog when no one was around. So, even if \*\*StR’\*\*s story is total BS, I’m confident something like it happens all the time. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/69 "2006-07-12T03:10:43Z")
I would say that actually sexuality is the one category where bizarre behavior doesn’t signify mental illness. I think it’s because somehow sex is wired into the procreation stuff… the same drive that makes people do absolutely anything to reproduce and protect their offspring can be expressed in other ways. When it comes to sex, people will be fine upstanding citizens on the outside, and privately be into some really wacko stuff. Doesn’t mean they’re crazy. The key is “privately”, as long as they aren’t bothering anybody else or intruding on their personal space. Once you’ve crossed that line, any sexual practice implies criminality at least, and probably mental illness as well. ---
**Author:** ![BoBettie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@BoBettie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoBettie)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/70 "2006-07-12T03:18:34Z")
[QUOTE=Jackknifed Juggernaut] I don’t usually play detective, but the story sounds fishy. You had already met her 2-3 times during your travels. And then you were “eager to meet her” when she moved to your city, when you found her “intelligent, witty and attractive”. She wasn’t that way the first 2-3 times that you met her? [/QUOTE] This pinged my WTF meter, too. So. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/71 "2006-07-12T03:19:26Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] No, the rest of my life implies mental illness. Now, if you will excuse me, I shall resume fucking this duck. [/QUOTE] If it helps, I always thought the [homosexual necrophiliac duck](http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/research/story/0,9865,1432991,00.html) was totally quackers. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/72 "2006-07-12T03:23:04Z")
How on earth, does one write an OP about watching a woman have sex with a dog, and you disclaimer it by > [@](#): > > (possible TMI) ? Watching women have sex with a dog is ALWAYS tmi. Always. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/73 "2006-07-12T03:26:58Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] Looking at my diary entry for that day, I see that she did say that, but it was uttered, I noted then, in a very smart-ass POV. As I mentioned she was mocking me for being far less GGG on the issue than I usually present myself. [/QUOTE] I don’t think not being into bestiality makes you any less GGG (particularly since that only counts in the context of a relationship.) In fact, as far as I know, that phrase was coined by Dan Savage, and his columns about extreme kink always explicitly denounced sex with animals. I’m just saying that I don’t think you have to feel like a prude just 'cause you’re not into the whole girls-with-dogs scene. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/74 "2006-07-12T03:36:03Z")
[QUOTE=DiosaBellissima] I’m, quite obviously, not Anaa (plus, she’s already answered you), but I just wanted to ask another question. If we again flow this same attitude over, why couldn’t the same be said for a mentally hadicapped person and a person of non-disabled intelligence? Am I wrong in thinking that there are laws against a person of “normal” intelligence sexing up someone that is mentally a child? Just like the rest of us, the mentally handicapped have urges. If a handicapped person were to have sex with a “regular” person, they would just be acting on an instinct and receiving gratification in that manner, so why-- following the above logic- - would this be wrong? [/QUOTE] Hmm. Every line of thought I’ve tried to follow from your analogy ultimately leads to me agreeing with you. In every case (the dog, a mentally handicapped person or in the necrophilia example), there is some form of exploitation taking place, regardless of whether pleasure is being derived. That makes it wrong, and I’ll consider my ignorance fought – thank you (and that goes to you, too, **Anaamika** ). Getting back to the OP’s point for a moment, however, I’m still not sure that this means there’s an issue of mental illness on the part of **Skald** ’s friend. Just because she’s doing something wrong doesn’t mean she’s mentally ill, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/75 "2006-07-12T03:36:23Z")
GGG? I used to know what that meant, now I forget. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/76 "2006-07-12T03:45:27Z")
Ah, what I’d want to know was it an exclusive relationship? (Sorry, **Skald**. I just couldn’t resist.) ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/77 "2006-07-12T03:54:43Z")
We wanna see the puppies! Puppies! Or babies! Whatever! Cutest erm, who else is up for this? ---
**Author:** ![imthjckaz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/imthjckaz/32/3223_2.png) [@imthjckaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/imthjckaz)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/78 "2006-07-12T04:05:37Z")
I would tend to think that a couple who practice Coprophilia\* might not have all their faculties. But that’s just mho. \*Coprophilia or “brown showers” is the need to smell or view feces or the act of defecation as a primary means of sexual arousal and gratification :eek: ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/79 "2006-07-12T05:40:50Z")
Occasionally I run across a story (probably urban legend) about a man who fucked six rabbits and one guinea pig. Why did he stop with _one_ guinea pig? Because it exploded. I’m not convinced that zoophilia automatically makes one mentally ill…but combine it with coprophilia, and possibly [acrotomophilia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrotomophilia), and you may have a problem. (Especially if you find [this video](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynSF4WwHZP4) sexy!) ---
**Author:** ![shizaru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@shizaru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shizaru)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061/80 "2006-07-12T05:54:18Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] I have a friend–not a zoophile,so far as I know–who said her favorite dog, recently deceased, had a human soul; she loved it, she says, as much as other people love their children. What think you of her? [/QUOTE] Theres nothing wrong with that. When I had a dog, that dog was part of my family. I loved that dog. But I didn’t want to fuck the dog. Yeah, the dog-fucking lady isn’t hurting anyone, but its just plain strange that someone would do that…in front of another person, for Pete’s sake! I’d like to hear what someone in the mental health profession would say to that. Really. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-sexual-practices-which-automatically-imply-mental-illness-possible-tmi/364061.md?page=5)