# Are these porn girls really such good actresses? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 22, 2003, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249 "2003-07-22T22:16:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cole\_burner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@cole\_burner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cole_burner)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/1 "2003-07-22T22:16:27Z")
OK, I have found this porn site that has all these movies for download. They all follow the same script, sort of, the girl (different girl every week) arrives in this “back room” for an interview, she is answering an ad to be a model. The guy behind the desk basically tells her he’s actually casting for adult modelling and porno movies, tells her she can earn $10,000 a week, talks her into “auditioning” with him, and then at the end always finishes on her face and then rudely tells her to get dressed and leave, while she’s asking what about the job, and he tells her there is no job. OK, nothing unusual there, any porno film could do that, right? But here’s the thing, the girls are REALLY believable. Some get into it, others have more of a “do this and get it over with quickly” or even a “close your eyes and think of England” attitude, and they seem really pissed when they “learn” they are scammed. In fact they are better actresses than actual commercial DVD/VHS releases. If they are acting. And that is my question. There is NO WAY that someone could really do this, right? I mean, there’d be lawsuits, they would need to have releases signed before they showed the film on the Internet, etc., right? It’s just a little overtly-hostile-to-women fantasy thing going on, right? Only these chicks are so damn believable I almost want to say that no, if she was that good an actress, she’d be in real movies, not Internet porno. So what am I missing? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/2 "2003-07-22T22:43:33Z")
If you’re asking whether it’s conceivable that this is shot with women subjects genuinely ignorant of the fact that it’s all being taped and that there is no “great” job at the end, the answer is NO, unless the producers are ready to risk spending the rest of their lives in prison. At least not in the United States. I suppose it is conceivable that there is a country where it is not a ciminal offense to defraud, harass, and demand sexual favors in exchange for a job. What about a kind of “Candid Camera” deal where they tell the woman later, and only use it if she signs a release later? Not a chance, someone would know that she could make way more money suing their asses than they would ever voluntarily pay her. Everybody have American accents? Then the women are pros. Who’s to say your internet porn isn’t also being sold on DVD/VHS? ---
**Author:** ![handy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@handy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handy)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/3 "2003-07-22T23:00:59Z")
Ya know, sounds just like a book I saw on [amazon.com](http://amazon.com) about how to be a porn director…the comments on the books were funny. ---
**Author:** ![the\_O-man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9f8e36/32.png) [@the\_O-man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_O-man)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/4 "2003-07-23T02:18:39Z")
I’ll bet that there is probably a “consent” screen that explains the terms and conditions on the content of the website that has verbiage like the following: > [@](#): > > All images and videos within this website are non-violent. No humans were harmed in the making of any images or videos. All performers on this site are over the age of 18, have consented being photographed and/or filmed, have signed model release and provided proof of age, believe it is their right to engage in consensual sexual acts for the entertainment and education of other adults and believe it is your right as an adult to watch them doing what adults do. > > The videos and images in this site are intended to be used by responsible adults as sexual aids, to provide sexual education and to provide sexual entertainment. The images and videos within this website depict real people and their behaviors when placed in fantasy situations. The behavior and actions within are intended only for the world of fantasy and it would be both irresponsible and dangerous to behave or act this way in the real world. > > All performers are given the opportunity to be tested for sexually transmitted diseases at no charge to themselves within a reasonable amount of time before their performance. > All activity is arranged and discussed in advance of filming and every effort is made to insure the health and safety of the performers and to ensure that their performance is a pleasant and enjoyable experience. How hard is it for just about any woman to get angry on demand? I don’t think that takes much acting talent. ---
**Author:** ![Gumbercules](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gumbercules](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gumbercules)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/5 "2003-07-23T02:40:28Z")
> [@](#): > > How hard is it for just about any woman to get angry on demand? I don’t think that takes much acting talent. \*\* I’d like to meet a woman who could get NOT ANGRY on demand! ---
**Author:** ![AWB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AWB)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/6 "2003-07-23T02:55:33Z")
Cole, There are many such sites, where the girl is supposedly innocent of the purpose of the camera, and is summarily blown off at the end. E.g., a guy with a boat picks up girls at the docks, invites them out, has his way with them (while getting good photos), then throws them in the water! If this weren’t acting, this guy’d be in serious trouble (assault to attempted murder, depending on how well his victims could or couldn’t swim). ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/7 "2003-07-23T03:14:03Z")
I know the site your talking about and I think that 90% of them are real. Anyone who says otherwise probably hasn’t seen them. I’ve yet to see hollywood writers/actors produce dialog/performances as authentic as those in those videos. Whether or not they’re clued in after the fact is a different story. I don’t think they are - most of these sites are run by college kids who don’t think they’ll ever die let alone get caught in something like this. Ever see BangBus? The only one I ever thought looked inauthentic ended up being a girl who I later found out was a professional “amateur” porn star. ---
**Author:** ![ArrMatey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrmatey/32/3522_2.png) [@ArrMatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArrMatey)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/8 "2003-07-23T03:19:54Z")
Okay, I haven’t seen the site in question or anything, but one thing I can say is this- Camcorders don’t make high-quality movies. Lighting is pretty obvious. If there are -any- kind of production values on these things, it likely means a good professional set up, which a person would have to be pretty oblivious to miss. ---
**Author:** ![Moo\_the\_Magic\_Cow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ebca7d/32.png) [@Moo\_the\_Magic\_Cow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moo_the_Magic_Cow)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/9 "2003-07-23T04:26:24Z")
[I knew there was a thread on this before](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=127622&highlight=porn+interview) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=127622&highlight=porn+interview](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=127622&highlight=porn+interview) ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_T](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Gary\_T](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_T)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/10 "2003-07-23T04:37:24Z")
_Only these chicks are so damn believable I almost want to say that no, if she was that good an actress, she’d be in real movies, not Internet porno._ Real movies require lots of working time and (to various degrees) the ability to express a range of actions and emotions, often with subtlety. Compare what Meryl Streep and Renee Zellweger do in just one film (let alone all the different films they’ve done) to the formulaic “get laid/get mad” stuff you’ve described. And the thing lasts, what, 10 minutes? Streep could do that in her sleep. Think any of those gals could do one tenth of what Streep does one tenth as well as she does it? I don’t. Beyond which, regardless of their acting ability, I would think that most porn actresses have social/psychological/legal/pharmacological/etc. obstacles to getting into real movies. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/11 "2003-07-23T12:48:44Z")
My question, out of a morbid curiosity: do the films mentioned in the OP depict acts that, _if real_, constitute rape? In the link provided by **Moo the Magic Cow** , the description does not, I think, reach the level of rape with respect to the “office” scene. From what the OP describes, it’s at best a breach of contract type thing. The van thing sounds a bit more complicated, and depending on the circumstances, might constitute rape - again, if real. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/12 "2003-07-23T12:58:37Z")
If the local DA doesn’t like it, he can prosecute them. Whether he wins or not, it will probably ruin them just the same, due to legal fees, time spent in court, etc. If you’re a DA, you don’t have to win a case to “win.” ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/13 "2003-07-23T13:45:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bricker \* > \*\*My question, out of a morbid curiosity: do the films mentioned in the OP depict acts that, _if real_, constitute rape? > > - Rick \*\* Not based on any traditional definition of rape but I wouldn’t be surprised if Jonny Cochran could turn it into a case of rape. ---
**Author:** ![Bongmaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Bongmaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bongmaster)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2003, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/14 "2003-07-24T17:16:54Z")
I’ve seen these sites too, some are worse than others. Its basically a passive-agressive type thing. Bring them in under false pretenses, bait and switch tatics. In the ones I have seen they manage to talk the girls into the act, no illegal activities, they are paid. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2003, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/15 "2003-07-24T17:45:37Z")
The whole POINT of these things is to present a titilallating rape fantasy where a guy is clearly virile, energetic and in control and the woman is a submissive, fearful sex object who of course complies. There may well be an aspect of real fear in the women’s performances, but ultimately that’s what they are: acting. The rape fantasy doesn’t work without the implied-or-acted-out violence. This type of porn is the most manifestly obvious of the dehumanization and objectification of women. ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2003, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/16 "2003-08-14T16:22:00Z")
Weird - I just read about this the other day on a website called HolyMoly which has a spoof column by a supposed porn-addict. He deliberately mispells everything for comedy effect, but describes this type of porn as “Gonso” (so it may be “Gonzo” or something similar). ---
**Author:** ![rookie523](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@rookie523](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rookie523)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2003, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-porn-girls-really-such-good-actresses/190249/17 "2003-08-14T16:48:30Z")
if you look around enough, you will see the various ‘actors’ are in a few different videos of these types. although they do look real, i believe that it is all acting. but what about that college one where everyone is partying (not the mardi gras one)… and then they show clips of wild girls doing the nasty?