# Are these the basics of the "Memo" story? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 2, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054 "2018-02-02T18:23:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/81 "2018-02-06T18:49:30Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > I am truly [plugged in](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/nunes-fine-the-fbi-didnt-lie-but-its-font-was-too-small.html): > > > [@](#): > > > > Notice how “The FBI LIED about the Steele dossier” has been scaled back to, “The FBI did not highlight the truth about the Steele Dossier in the part of the application we bothered to read.” So now the main attack on the FBI is about font size. No doubt all the subsequent memos Nunes is promising to release will have additional bombshells. Let me channel my right-wing conspiritard, “Can’t you see its the kerning, the k ern i ng reveals the whole thing!!!1111!!!1111!!!” CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/82 "2018-02-06T19:33:25Z")
We need to see the long-form memo. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/83 "2018-02-06T20:53:41Z")
Anyone following the story on the rebuttal memo? [Apparently](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372572-trump-to-be-briefed-on-democratic-memo)it’s too lengthy for Trump to read, so he’s going to be briefed on it. Mentioned later in the story as an aside: It’s 10 pages long. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/84 "2018-02-06T20:55:15Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Anyone following the story on the rebuttal memo? [Apparently](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372572-trump-to-be-briefed-on-democratic-memo)it’s too lengthy for Trump to read, so he’s going to be briefed on it. Mentioned later in the story as an aside: It’s 10 pages long. _Looks at 280 page proposed subregulatory guidance pdfs open on her screen_ _sighs_ ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/85 "2018-02-06T20:56:14Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > _Looks at 280 page proposed subregulatory guidance pdfs open on her screen_ > > _sighs_ I bet yours has more pictures. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/86 "2018-02-06T21:04:39Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I bet yours has more pictures. It’s got some charts in it! Like: Table II-10. MLR Credibility Adjustments for MA-PD Contracts Member months Credibility adjustment Followed by the scintillating: Table II-11. MLR Credibility Adjustments for Part D Stand-Alone Contracts Member months Credibility adjustment ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/87 "2018-02-06T21:28:01Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > Table II-10. MLR Credibility Adjustments for MA-PD Contracts Member months Credibility adjustment omigod, I LOVE that one! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/88 "2018-02-06T21:29:13Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > _Looks at 280 page proposed subregulatory guidance pdfs open on her screen_ > > _sighs_ LOL living up to your handle, I see. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/89 "2018-02-06T21:36:12Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > omigod, I LOVE that one! Eh, it used to be good, but now it’s just so derivative. I’m looking for craft, small batch credibility adjustment tables. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/90 "2018-02-06T21:53:34Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > It’s got some charts in it! > > Like: > > Table II-10. MLR Credibility Adjustments for MA-PD Contracts Member months Credibility adjustment > > Followed by the scintillating: > > Table II-11. MLR Credibility Adjustments for Part D Stand-Alone Contracts Member months Credibility adjustment Ah, yes, that sounds like some of the depositions I proofread for a living, when they’re not transcripts of utility regulatory hearings, or subject matter experts in patent infringement litigation, or but-for economist expert witnesses, or… Well, at least the medical malpractice expert witnesses can be educational. Sigh… Even the slip-and-fall plaintiffs usually testify at a higher linguistic level than Cadet Bone Spurs appears to function at. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/91 "2018-02-07T17:19:21Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Who then reported it to the FBI, to be substantiated, and kept quiet about it during and after the election. Well, no, they didn’t keep quiet about it - _Mother Jones_ leaked what was an open secret a week before the elections. What was kept quiet, or at least they tried to keep quiet, was that it was bought and paid for by the DNC and the Hillary campaign. There seems now to be [evidence](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/07/more-texts-between-strzok-and-page-uncovered-lead-to-more-questions.html) that then-President Obama wanted to know all about the investigation, which raises even more questions, which Democrats would prefer not be asked. Perhaps they will take the same tack as they did when “[HRC](http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/05/us/memo-places-hillary-clinton-at-core-of-travel-office-case.html)” approved the Travelgate firings. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/92 "2018-02-07T17:38:02Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > There seems now to be [evidence](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/07/more-texts-between-strzok-and-page-uncovered-lead-to-more-questions.html) that then-President Obama wanted to know all about the investigation, which raises even more questions, which Democrats would prefer not be asked. Huh? What questions would Democrats “prefer not be asked”? I’m genuinely confused by this. Is someone troubled by the possibility that the President was interested in an ongoing investigation that might involve a foreign power meddling in US elections? I’d be troubled if he wasn’t interested! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/93 "2018-02-07T17:38:43Z")
Travelgate? Srsly? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/94 "2018-02-07T19:01:03Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > The narrative just changed from “there was no collusion” to “you can’t use this evidence of our collusion.” It’s the last ditch move of the guilty. ---
**Author:** ![YamatoTwinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cc9497/32.png) [@YamatoTwinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YamatoTwinkie)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/95 "2018-02-07T19:41:57Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > There seems now to be [evidence](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/07/more-texts-between-strzok-and-page-uncovered-lead-to-more-questions.html) that then-President Obama wanted to know all about the investigation, which raises even more questions Isn’t that what the job of the president _is supposed to entail_? I know its been a year already, but you do remember a time when the primary job description of the president wasn’t just watching cable news and tweeting about it, right? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/96 "2018-02-07T19:47:26Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > There seems now to be [evidence](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/07/more-texts-between-strzok-and-page-uncovered-lead-to-more-questions.html) that then-President Obama wanted to know all about the investigation, which raises even more questions, which Democrats would prefer not be asked. Perhaps they will take the same tack as they did when “[HRC](http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/05/us/memo-places-hillary-clinton-at-core-of-travel-office-case.html)” approved the Travelgate firings. Oh my God, the President wants to know what Russia was doing to interfere in our elections? You won’t see THAT happening today! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/97 "2018-02-07T20:07:46Z")
Shodan is going to be back here with: “LOLZ on you, he wanted info on the Hillary case, not Russian.” However, the Fox News report he linked to is a brazen lie, as much fake news as anything coming to us from St Petersburg. 1. Hillary investigation closed July 2016 2. Obama wants briefing on Sept 2nd 3. Hillary case reopened in October What Faux News is lying about is that Obama wanted to “know everything” about Hillary. But that’s not true, he wanted to “know everything” about Russian interference. But even if he did, as noted above: So what? Is this not part and parcel of his duties? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/98 "2018-02-07T20:31:21Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > There seems now to be [evidence](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/07/more-texts-between-strzok-and-page-uncovered-lead-to-more-questions.html) that then-President Obama wanted to know all about the investigation, which raises even more questions, which Democrats would prefer not be asked. Since this [edit: this = Fox News report] has turned out to be a lie, can we assume that you will be back to apologize for misleading us by spreading obvious lies? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/99 "2018-02-07T20:37:29Z")
And that, my fellow posters, is absolutely right on the line in terms of the ‘accusations of lying’ rule. Let’s not do it again. Yes, technically, one could argue that one is accusing another poster of spreading lies and not lying. However, my tolerance for seeing how close to the line one can get is…limited. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/100 "2018-02-07T20:43:09Z")
Oh, and cite: [https://thinkprogress.org/fox-news-latest-bombshell-fraud-def2fc228456/amp/](https://thinkprogress.org/fox-news-latest-bombshell-fraud-def2fc228456/amp/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054.md?page=6)