# Are these the guys you all consider alt-right white supremacists? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 14, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595 "2017-05-14T16:18:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/1 "2017-05-14T16:18:11Z")
Ben Shapiro and Gavin McInnes …I know that sounds like a setup for an argument but I’m not going to go there. I genuinely want to know your alls opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/2 "2017-05-14T16:34:54Z")
I’ll let you know as soon as I receive instructions from The Hive Mind. “You all”?? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/3 "2017-05-14T16:42:13Z")
I had to google both of them, because “who?” Ben is a typical right wing conservative. Gavin seems like an attention whoring douche bag. Neither strikes me as a white supremacist. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/4 "2017-05-14T16:47:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’ll let you know as soon as I receive instructions from The Hive Mind. > “You all”?? Do not oppress ma regional colloquiums!!! ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/5 "2017-05-14T16:57:37Z")
Gavin McInnes, the guy from Vice Media? Since when is he an alt-right fan? Guys a hipster, and hipsters tend to be pretty leftists. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/6 "2017-05-14T17:00:15Z")
Are you going to tell us why you think we might think they are alt-right white supremacists? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/7 "2017-05-14T17:10:30Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Gavin McInnes, the guy from Vice Media? Since when is he an alt-right fan? Guys a hipster, and hipsters tend to be pretty leftists. From his wikipedia page: > [@](#): > > In October 2013, McInnes was interviewed by The Huffington Post on a panel about masculinity. He said that “people would be happier if women would stop pretending to be men”, and that feminism “has made women less happy”.[31] He explained that “We’ve trivialized childbirth and being domestic so much that women are forced to pretend to be men. They’re feigning this toughness, they’re miserable.”[32] A heated argument ensued with University of Miami School of Law professor Mary Anne Franks.[33] > > In August 2014, McInnes was asked to take an indefinite leave of absence as chief creative officer of Rooster, following online publication at Thought Catalog of an essay about transphobia titled “Transphobia is Perfectly Natural”[34] that sparked a call to boycott the company. In response, Rooster issued a statement, saying in part: “We are extremely disappointed with his actions and have asked that he take a leave of absence while we determine the most appropriate course of action.”[35] McInnes defended the article by saying “All I was saying was transsexuals have a huge suicide rate”, and calling the reaction “fake hysteria”.[36] > > In June 2015, Anthony Cumia announced that McInnes will be hosting a show on his network, therefore retiring the Free Speech podcast. The Gavin McInnes Show premiered on Compound Media on June 15 and airs Monday through Thursday at 10:30 A.M EST. McInnes is a contributor to Canadian conservative portal The Rebel Media and a regular on Fox News’ Red Eye, The Greg Gutfield Show, and The Sean Hannity Show. He writes for the web magazine Taki’s Magazine,[37] and previously wrote for TruthRevolt,[38] Death and Taxes,[39] The Federalist,[40] American Renaissance[41] and VDARE.[42] > > He has also argued that then-presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposal to “ban Muslims from returning to America is brash and bold, but it’s also what we need in this day and age.”[43] > > On February 2, 2017, in an episode of his YouTube show The Rebel, McInnes announced his resignation from Fox News.[44] > > McInnes was accused of antisemitism in March 2017 when, during a trip to Israel with The Rebel, McInnes made controversial comments about the Holocaust and also alleged Jews of being responsible for the Holodomor and the Treaty of Versailles. He subsequently claimed his comments were meant to be humourous. McInnes also produced a satirical video for Rebel called “Ten Things I Hate about Jews”, later retitled “Ten Things I Hate About Israel”, which also resulted in accusations of antisemitism. Not seeing much in there that screams “liberal” to me. It’s probably not a good idea to confuse a love of mustache wax with any particular political philosophy. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/8 "2017-05-14T17:14:55Z")
^ Well, I’ll be. I only remember him from _Vice_ and he was certainly not rightist then, or at least did not espouse such views. What happened? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/9 "2017-05-14T17:31:31Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Do not oppress ma regional colloquiums!!! That’s not what I am doing. I’m asking who you mean by the term. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/10 "2017-05-14T18:50:37Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Are you going to tell us why you think we might think they are alt-right white supremacists? Well I know Shapiro has been accused as much by protesters at his events. I was curious what the enlightened folk at SD thought. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/11 "2017-05-14T19:55:04Z")
Ben Shapiro is an Orthodox Jew married to an Israeli Jew of Moroccan descent, who opposed the Trump presidential campaign and became a target of anti-semitism from the alt-right. He has in turn called the alt-right “mouth-breathing idiots”. If he’s trying to be an alt-right white supremacist he’s doing it wrong. The reason why he was labeled as alt-right in the past are two-fold; he once wrote for Breitbart and was editor-at-large but resigned when the site failed to support Michelle Fields when she accused Trump’s former campaign manager of assaulting her. Anyone associated with that site gets labeled as alt-right. He has also lectured against Black Lives Matter, the concept of microaggressions, and safe spaces because he felt they inhibited free speech at college campuses. That makes it easy to label him as being no different than the alt-right but as usual the truth is a bit more complicated. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/12 "2017-05-14T20:10:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That’s not what I am doing. > I’m asking who you mean by the term. I took him to mean all y’all. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/13 "2017-05-14T20:36:39Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I took him to mean all y’all. And we all know what type of person says, “all y’all”. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/14 "2017-05-14T20:48:50Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > And we all know what type of person says, “all y’all”. [Do tell.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MplVbe5ys0I) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/15 "2017-05-14T22:04:57Z")
That was a joke, son. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/16 "2017-05-14T22:09:25Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > That was a joke, son. I say I say…thassa joke son. Went right over my pinhead it did. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/17 "2017-05-15T00:30:57Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I say I say…thassa joke son. Went right over my pinhead it did. I keep chuckin’em, you keep duckin’em. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/18 "2017-05-15T01:17:28Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I say I say…thassa joke son. Went right over my pinhead it did. Ah keep mah feathers numbered for just such an occasion… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/19 "2017-05-15T01:27:49Z")
These are not the White Supremacists you are looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595/20 "2017-05-15T01:47:12Z")
Here are the guys you are looking for: [White nationalist Richard Spencer leads torch-bearing protesters defending Lee statue](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/alt-rights-richard-spencer-leads-torch-bearing-protesters-defending-lee-statue/2017/05/14/766aaa56-38ac-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?tid=pm_local_pop&utm_term=.f308807b8b5a) with distinctive alt-right plumage: > [@](#): > > At the second rally, dozens of torch-bearing protesters gathered in a city park Saturday evening and chanted “You will not replace us” and “Russia is our friend,” local television footage shows. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-guys-you-all-consider-alt-right-white-supremacists/786595.md?page=2)