# Are Trump supporters capable of seeing the Trumpian double-standard? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 9, 2020, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676 "2020-02-09T16:00:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/41 "2020-02-10T21:34:06Z")
Trump is like Clint Eastwood in The Unforgiven. He’s a murderous low life scum, but he’s the only guy we have to stop liberals from destroying this country. PS - This is an analogy, and in no way, would I advocate violence of any sort. I believe hearts and minds can be changed with respectful debate. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/42 "2020-02-10T21:53:19Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Of course we are talking in generalities. That’s what matters in politics. The attitudes towards Trump I am talking about don’t apply to NeverTrumpers or people like me, either. I mean the part about a hypothetical Democratic pugilist. If you mean people in general would love that person, sure some might. I simply meant that part was too general. I don’t know what norms or rules you meant specifically. > [@](#): > > I don’t think Democrats understand how many people in America are sick and tired of political correctness and of being lectured to. People who just want to go home, have a beer, hang out with their friends and family and have a decent life are sick of being told that they are bad people for not organizing their thinking around ‘wokeness’, and being told they are stupid, immoral, deplorable, etc. This is very near to what I’ve said to for years, but not just about people of specific parties in the U.S. Frankly, I usually say it to myself about the rest of the world, such as “Iranians are no different than you or me. They just want to earn a living so they can eat well, raise a family, go to the movies now and again and just lead a normal, quite life.” And it’s not just Democrats that do the lecturing, or dislike it when the other side does it. We agree, sort of, but you can’t just limit it to the Democrats. I would grant you Democrats probably call the Republicans “stupid” more, and Republicans call the Democrats “immoral” more. But whatever the case, no side has a monopoly on such behavior. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/43 "2020-02-10T21:53:45Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I don’t think Democrats understand how many people in America are sick and tired of political correctness and of being lectured to. Apparently, [80% of the American public is fed up with political correctness.](http://https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/). That’s an astounding number. It kills me that the “progressive activist” cohort, through their need to virtue-signal and woke-shame, has turned off so many centrists, who otherwise support a progressive agenda, from the Democratic Party. There is no greater threat to the progressive agenda than progressives themselves. I consider myself a progressive, but I don’t want to attend the parties. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/44 "2020-02-10T22:00:01Z")
I disagree with that wholeheartedly as far as the term “PC” goes. To the extent that they are a real thing, I am not the biggest fan of their “need to virtue-signal and woke-shame”\*, but I don’t think “political correctness” is a good term for that phenomenon, which the vast majority of the time is simply asking people to be polite. \*Which are loaded snarl words of their own, but slightly more indicative of what is going on than “PC”. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/45 "2020-02-10T22:12:42Z")
Here’s all you have to remember about Trump supporters in four easy words. “They all do that.” That’s the magic answer to any allegation that Trump is lying, cheating, vengeful, greedy, narcissistic or anything else. They all do that. And since they all do it, we might as well vote for the one we like, right? As to whether America’s a meritocracy, well, Trump’s rich, isn’t he? What other “merit” counts? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/46 "2020-02-10T22:19:18Z")
“Political correctness gone mad!” is such a weird phenomenon because people get so upset about it, and yet almost every time there is no truth to it. It’s the moral panic of our time. Jordan Peterson becomes famous on the back of a claim that he would be arrested if he didn’t use new gender terms in his speech – Yeah, bullshit You’re not allowed to say Merry Christmas any more! – Yeah you are They’re renaming Christmas to Winterval now – A recurring, and untrue, story in the UK You can’t call Mexicans rapists – …Well you can call them that, but you would be considered a bigot for doing so …and on and on. So if the claim is that Trump is popular with some quarters for being perceived as fighting against tyrannical PC overreach…yeah, could be. It doesn’t make the fear and action of voting for trump rational. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/47 "2020-02-10T22:51:42Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I disagree with that wholeheartedly as far as the term “PC” goes. To the extent that they are a real thing, I am not the biggest fan of their “need to virtue-signal and woke-shame”\*, but I don’t think “political correctness” is a good term for that phenomenon, which the vast majority of the time is simply asking people to be polite. > > \*Which are loaded snarl words of their own, but slightly more indicative of what is going on than “PC”. I agree that political correctness is not a great term, and the authors of the study do quite a bit of interviewing to suss out the respondents’ understanding of it. There was a pretty large consensus that the aversion to “political correctness” was not to the idea of being polite to minorities or referring to people with their preferred label, but rather to being looked down upon and judged as being ignorant. It doesn’t help that the messaging comes from academic elites and is often aimed at the middle class. Sometimes I’ll hate-watch Fox (though I find it nearly impossible to stomach now), and Brit Hume has a segment called Campus Craziness wherein he chronicles the latest idiotic thing some liberal students did/said. I just cringe at the propaganda gold that the activists serve up to the right on a nightly basis. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/48 "2020-02-10T23:07:36Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Trump is like Clint Eastwood in The Unforgiven. He’s a murderous low life scum, but he’s the only guy we have to stop liberals from destroying this country. > PS - This is an analogy, and in no way, would I advocate violence of any sort. I believe hearts and minds can be changed with respectful debate. The red part shows the pink part to be false. There is nothing respectful about demonizing your opposition in that way. ---
**Author:** ![rsat3acr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@rsat3acr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rsat3acr)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/49 "2020-02-10T23:14:40Z")
capable, yes. willing to, no ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/50 "2020-02-11T00:41:02Z")
If you think that almost all progressives look down on you – or your relatives, or your town – wanting to own the libs is a next step hard to avoid. Now, it is in the nature of the personality of most politicians (not DJT!) to like most people. The reason the Trumpists endlessly repeat Hillary’s one word one-time out-of-context gaffe (“deplorables”) is that that top Democratic politicians don’t talk that way. If they did, it would hurt them. As shown by threads like this, the typical politician-type personality is not universal. As for the alleged low character of Trump voters, there’s one I know who, much more than the average person, and in a emotionally intelligent way, jumps to help people he passes by and sees are in distress – regardless of skin color. You can say it’s inconsistent for good generous people to support a man like Donald Trump. But many are inconsistent that way. I’m all for attacking the views, and even the personality, of Donald Trump. But I don’t think it’s helpful to take a guilt-by-association approach to his supporters. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/51 "2020-02-11T00:44:18Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > … > Trumpers love liberal tears. They’d vote for anyone who could deliver that, regardless of race/gender/bloviating/tax dodging/philandering. Indeed, some even think a minority/woman would be the BEST to “stick it to the libs.” I await the black Republican presidential nominee. Not with held breath. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/52 "2020-02-11T00:54:49Z")
The one who wins the Primary, you dig? Come on Republicans, YOU CAN DO IT! ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/53 "2020-02-11T00:57:25Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > “Political correctness gone mad!” is such a weird phenomenon because people get so upset about it, and yet almost every time there is no truth to it. It’s the moral panic of our time. It’s the most hypocritical moral panic of our time. The president thinks that football players who kneel during the NA are hateful SOBs who should have their American citizenship revoked. He has convinced his supporters that the act of kneeling is a sign of disrespect–one that shits not only the NA and the flag, but also the military and law enforcement and baby Jesus. Mind you, he shits on these institutions all the time and his supporters just laugh. But if you’re a black football player exercising your first amendment rights, you deserve to be punished. The obsession over wokeness on the left can be tiresome sometimes, but at least it isn’t horrifically insane. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/54 "2020-02-11T01:23:34Z")
I wonder who’s looking down on me. Must be someone. I have an intuition. Damn it. I got to go “own” somebody now. I guess I’ll go eat worms. And vote fascist. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/55 "2020-02-11T02:33:25Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > And vote fascist. Trump? [He favors communism:](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-white-house-business-session-nations-governors/) > [@](#): > > I have great respect for President Xi\* and great respect for China, frankly . . . > > States with a very powerful death penalty on drug dealers don’t have a drug problem. I don’t know that our country is ready for that. But if you look throughout the world, the countries with a powerful death penalty — death penalty — with a fair but quick trial, they have very little, if any, drug problem. That includes China. I should mention that, as can be googled, China has a significant drug problem, but Trump’s prevarication isn’t my point here. It’s speculative that Trump admires avowed fascists (are there even any still around?). It’s definite that he admires avowed communists like Xi and Kim. You might say that those are fascist-like communists, but, well, after the idealists are shot, this is what communism is. And Trump is soft on it. * * * - General Secretary of the Communist Party of China ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/56 "2020-02-11T02:41:52Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Trump is like Clint Eastwood in The Unforgiven. He’s a murderous low life scum, but he’s the only guy we have to stop liberals from destroying this country. > > PS - This is an analogy, and in no way, would I advocate violence of any sort. I believe hearts and minds can be changed with respectful debate. I’m terribly curious about what liberals want to do that will lead to your country’s destruction. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/57 "2020-02-11T02:50:06Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Trump is like Clint Eastwood in The Unforgiven. He’s a murderous low life scum, but he’s the only guy we have to stop liberals from destroying this country. > > PS - This is an analogy, and in no way, would I advocate violence of any sort. I believe hearts and minds can be changed with respectful debate. Lose the murderous lowlife scum and we’ll talk. We’ll even let you have Pence. I miss those religious old school Republicans that keep their underpants on in the shower. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/58 "2020-02-11T02:53:21Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Trump? > > [He favors communism:](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-white-house-business-session-nations-governors/) > I should mention that, as can be googled, China has a significant drug problem, but Trump’s prevarication isn’t my point here. > > It’s speculative that Trump admires avowed fascists (are there even any still around?). It’s definite that he admires avowed communists like Xi and Kim. You might say that those are fascist-like communists, but, well, after the idealists are shot, this is what communism is. And Trump is soft on it. > > * * * > > - General Secretary of the Communist Party of China Xoh please ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/59 "2020-02-11T03:11:30Z")
Maybe this deserves another thread but here 'tis. [EDUCATED FOOLS: What Democratic leaders still misunderstand about the politics of social class](https://newrepublic.com/article/156000/educated-fools-democrats-misunderstand-politics-social-class) > [@](#): > > _This is a high school nation._ Even now, after all the years of pumping up college education as the only way to survive, there’s still close to 70 percent of U.S. adults from age 25 and older—yes, living right now—who are without four-year college degrees. If a college education is the only way to survive in a global economy, then the party’s effective answer to anyone over 30 is: It’s too late for you. And of course, that message gets across. Forget Trampkins as immoral morons. Educated, corporate Dems have shat upon them; they react appropriately. It didn’t help that “liberal” mainstream media gave Tramp billions of free airtime to spread his message. He grabbed many more eyeballs to be sold to advertisers; he has greatly enriched the media. Follow the money, eh? ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676/60 "2020-02-11T12:48:21Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Trump is like Clint Eastwood in The Unforgiven. He’s a murderous low life scum, but he’s the only guy we have to stop liberals from destroying this country. > > PS - This is an analogy, and in no way, would I advocate violence of any sort. I believe hearts and minds can be changed with respectful debate. It is nice to see one of you Trumpists finally admit that what you really want is fascism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-capable-of-seeing-the-trumpian-double-standard/847676.md?page=4)