# Are Trump supporters so far in they can't back out? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 26, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776 "2018-06-26T14:51:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/21 "2018-06-26T16:27:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And I think posts like this are a part of the reason why they won’t respond. I’m a guy who leans slightly right, but who is no fan of Trump. I think a large reason conservatives don’t chime in on discussions such as these is that this board is so far left, with a membership percentage that is so heavily left, that they don’t even bother. Just look at your post: > [@Czarcasm](#): > > When this Trump mess first started . . . and > [@Czarcasm](#): > > drop off with each new revelation/misdeed/gaff . . . and > [@Czarcasm](#): > > admitting they were in the wrong the entire time- . . . and > [@Czarcasm](#): > > It’s as if there is no line drawn for them that will cause them to say "_This_ is too much for me, . . . and then you want to note that “I’m just an innocent guy trying to understand.” But you’re not just an innocent guy trying to understand. This will be a feeding frenzy the first time someone tries to defend their position on Trump. And I’m sure they’re largely saying, “why bother?” ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/22 "2018-06-26T16:32:26Z")
I think he was voted in by people who tired of being screwed by the government and having a lot of things they find offensive forced upon them. They truly don’t care if they too get screwed by his actions, mostly because they perceive that they’re going to get screwed by the government no matter who is in the White House. So they vote in a guy who’s promised to turn everything on it’s ear. They love that the rest of America is offended by everything he says and does. The more groups of people he screws over, the more they love him. And they feel vindicated watching the wailing over truly offensive things being forced unto a segment of society usually on the other side of that equation. They are lapping it up and see no need to question their choice. They truly don’t care that he lies constantly, has his kids in government, owes money to the Russians, in business with the Chinese, swears at rallies, jails children. None of it matters to them. They didn’t hire him to be anything other than what you see! (Just one opinion, of course!) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/23 "2018-06-26T16:32:55Z")
> [@Stonebow](#): > > The SDMB doesn’t cultivate a wealth of conservative posters; those that are here haven’t been bashful in their participation in threads about the child separation, and that’s probably the best place to find that answer. But some of us have been watching and waiting for almost 2 years at this point wondering whether THIS will be the thing that breaks the camel’s back. This goes, though, to a gross misunderstanding of what the other side wants. Treating Hispanic people ruthlessly isn’t a straw that will break the camel’s back; Trumpists see it as a really positive development. It was a campaign promise, and the promise was kept. This is what they voted for, so why would it be “the thing” that changes their minds? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/24 "2018-06-26T16:34:46Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > I’m a guy who leans slightly right, but who is no fan of Trump. > > I think a large reason conservatives don’t chime in on discussions such as these is that this board is so far left, with a membership percentage that is so heavily left, that they don’t even bother. Just look at your post: > and > > and > > and > and then you want to note that “I’m just an innocent guy trying to understand.” > > But you’re not just an innocent guy trying to understand. > > This will be a feeding frenzy the first time someone tries to defend their position on Trump. And I’m sure they’re largely saying, “why bother?” Fine-criticism accepted. Please re-write the OP in a way that would encourage Trump supporters to explain what it would take for them to no longer support him, if you please? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/25 "2018-06-26T16:39:11Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > …and then you want to note that “I’m just an innocent guy trying to understand.” > > But you’re not just an innocent guy trying to understand. 1. I never said that. 2. What I am is a man who wonders where people’s limits are when it comes to politics. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/26 "2018-06-26T16:49:08Z")
Sorry, kinda busy right now, being lectured on civility by a guy who brags on grabbing women by the pussy. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/27 "2018-06-26T17:11:04Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > This goes, though, to a gross misunderstanding of what the other side wants. Treating Hispanic people ruthlessly isn’t a straw that will break the camel’s back; Trumpists see it as a really positive development. It was a campaign promise, and the promise was kept. This is what they voted for, so why would it be “the thing” that changes their minds? Exactly. To the trumpists, everything is going along fine. The brown people are being put into camps, [del]the SS[/del] ICE is being given the power needed to protect us from evil Mexican rapists, the moochers on the teat of the American Economy are getting kicked off and pretty soon Amerika will be back like it was in The Good Old Days. Why should they abandon their Chosen One? They are WINNING. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/28 "2018-06-26T17:12:38Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It doesn’t take a lot of effort online to find out what Trumpists say, think, and believe, and there perception of the world simply isn’t the same. The facts you take for granted don’t exist. It’s not hard to find it - it’s just hard to actually read it without instantly responding “No, that’s not why - it’s just racism”. You guys aren’t listening. > [@spifflog](#): > > I’m a guy who leans slightly right, but who is no fan of Trump. > > I think a large reason conservatives don’t chime in on discussions such as these is that this board is so far left, with a membership percentage that is so heavily left, that they don’t even bother. … > > This will be a feeding frenzy the first time someone tries to defend their position on Trump. And I’m sure they’re largely saying, “why bother?” This. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > And I think posts like this are a part of the reason why they won’t respond. > [@](#): > > Please re-write the OP in a way that would encourage Trump supporters to explain what it would take for them to no longer support him, if you please? It can’t be done. No discussion of Trump on the SDMB is going to get anything besides 95+% “posts like this”. And at least one Pitting. That’s how it is. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/29 "2018-06-26T17:16:16Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > This. It can’t be done. No discussion of Trump on the SDMB is going to get anything besides 95+% “posts like this”. And at least one Pitting. > > That’s how it is. > > Regards, > Shodan That’s a natural consequence of trying to defend the indefensible. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/30 "2018-06-26T17:17:33Z")
You \*could \*try presenting an argument instead of preemptively whining. But we never get to see one, do we? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/31 "2018-06-26T17:19:10Z")
Maybe if we had a protected thread for people to discuss why they support Trump, like the “Positive Gun Use” thread in MPSIMS? ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/32 "2018-06-26T17:32:40Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. What I am is a man who wonders where people’s limits are when it comes to politics. See that’s an interesting discussion because it can be applied to both sides. I’ll be honest- I was a huge supporter of the previous president. if you asked me the same question, what would make me pull away from him,my honest response would be: I can’t really think of anything other than him completely reversing position on a majority of stances (and by majority, he would need to be worse than the Republican opposition, not just equal). I might abandon him for a sufficiently serious personal failure- spousal, child abuse- because then his VP, who also has consistently similar policy positions, would take the wheel. I assume that most people have a similar decision making process As stated elsewhere, Trump is acting consistently with his campaign. His policy IS his tone. If you supported him then, I see no reason why you would not support him now. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/33 "2018-06-26T17:39:29Z")
Trumpism is based on racism and sexism. Those people will support him because there’s nowhere else to go. That is his core. But other supporters are simply following their tribe–they support him strongly while their tribe does. But tribal support need not be forever. If the tribe removes its support, Trump’s support will be reduced to his core racists and sexists. I don’t pretend to know what would cause that tribe to change its mind. I’m simply noting that many people support him because most of their community does. Much of their social signaling and media is an attempt to keep the tribe unified around supporting Trump. So they are feeling pressure to abandon him, but it might a long while before they actually do. In reply to both: > [@Stonebow](#): > > The SDMB doesn’t cultivate a wealth of conservative posters; > [@spifflog](#): > > I’m a guy who leans slightly right, but who is no fan of Trump. > > I think a large reason conservatives don’t chime in on discussions such as these is that this board is so far left, with a membership percentage that is so heavily left, that they don’t even bother. Just look at your post: > > and then you want to note that “I’m just an innocent guy trying to understand.” > > But you’re not just an innocent guy trying to understand. > > This will be a feeding frenzy the first time someone tries to defend their position on Trump. And I’m sure they’re largely saying, “why bother?” But this board does have a spectrum of political opinion. The problem is that the “conservative” label has been more and more narrowly defined in political discourse. In any rational political system, I’m on the right. I support family values, meaning that I support policies that enable adults caring for children to care for them better. I support limited government, meaning that I support policies that prevent interference with the lives of private citizens. I support fiscal responsibility, meaning that I support budgetary and monetary policies that enable economic growth. I think character matters, meaning that I think our leaders should be moral, ethical, and just. But “conservative” has come to mean anti-abortion and anti-birth-control (making it harder for families to care for their children, and increasing government interference into private lives), mandatory patriotism (increased government interference), anti-immigration (increased government interference and stunting economic growth), anti-gay (government interference and makes our society less just), pro-cronyism (graft hurts our economy and morality), low tax revenues (with the corresponding debt service stunting growth), and yet the federal taxes I’m personally paying have gone up (double whammy of worsening mine own financial situation while worsening the overall economic). “Conservatives” have made their tent small and uncomfortable, and then wonder why so few people are in it. ---
**Author:** ![senoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@senoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/senoy)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/34 "2018-06-26T17:44:33Z")
> [@Stonebow](#): > > See that’s an interesting discussion because it can be applied to both sides. I’ll be honest- I was a huge supporter of the previous president. if you asked me the same question, what would make me pull away from him,my honest response would be: I can’t really think of anything other than him completely reversing position on a majority of stances (and by majority, he would need to be worse than the Republican opposition, not just equal). I might abandon him for a sufficiently serious personal failure- spousal, child abuse- because then his VP, who also has consistently similar policy positions, would take the wheel. I mean that’s really the point. You can’t say ‘What are the limits of Trump supporters?’ because Trump supporters aren’t monolithic. Stonebow would defend Obama through pretty much anything and I was not on his page after he killed Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, so I didn’t vote in 2012. (I’m not a fan of extra-judicial killings regardless of the intent.) I’m sure there are Trumpians that are the same. There are some that would stand by him if he personally drove a tank over a kindergarten graduation while laughing maniacally and saying ‘Thus to the enemies of Trumpistan.’ and there are some that have probably left him over the handling of family separation (not as many as I would like unfortunately, and they might all go back to him in time.) ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/35 "2018-06-26T17:44:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And I think posts like this are a part of the reason why they won’t respond. > [@spifflog](#): > > I’m a guy who leans slightly right, but who is no fan of Trump. And this is part of the problem. I’m also a guy who “leans slightly right”. I’m Canadian, not American, but I voted for the Conservative party is every election up until the last two Federal elections, and the recent Ontario election, because I’m one of those who leans slightly right, who also recognizes that the parties on the right have gone completely insane in the last 15 years or so. I’ve put effort into trying to rein in the worst excesses here in Canada, only to watch the Crazy Wing of the party repudiate virtually everything the party used to stand for. So I’m not some raving loonie hippy-dippy who sees fascists in every Bush. The problem is, there are lots of people who either actually support what is being done, or who literally don’t care about any of this crap, so long as their taxes are getting cut. Neither of those groups are likely to give a thoughtful, honest response. The rest are the types who actually believe Trump’s nonsense, and those types are just generally incapable of writing a thoughtful response. > [@JB99](#): > > That’s a natural consequence of trying to defend the indefensible. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You \*could \*try presenting an argument instead of preemptively whining. But we never get to see one, do we? Which is exactly my point. I’ve tried to engage people on these issue in other venues, and it’s always a complete failure, no matter how blindingly obvious the issues are. Ontario just elected a “fiscal conservative” who promised to increase spending, lower the deficit, and cut taxes, and more than 40% of the voters just didn’t see any problem with that. And that’s just _math_. Forget trying to talk about something more complicated, like ethics and morality. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Maybe if we had a protected thread for people to discuss why they support Trump, like the “Positive Gun Use” thread in MPSIMS? Feel free to try, but expect failure. ---
**Author:** ![pohjonen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pohjonen/32/423_2.png) [@pohjonen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pohjonen)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/36 "2018-06-26T17:46:49Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > I’m a guy who leans slightly right, but who is no fan of Trump. > > I think a large reason conservatives don’t chime in on discussions such as these is that this board is so far left, with a membership percentage that is so heavily left, that they don’t even bother. Just look at your post: > and > > and > > and > and then you want to note that “I’m just an innocent guy trying to understand.” > > But you’re not just an innocent guy trying to understand. > > This will be a feeding frenzy the first time someone tries to defend their position on Trump. And I’m sure they’re largely saying, “why bother?” I’ve never noticed the right leaning board members here being shy about expressing their opinions in the face of disagreement. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/37 "2018-06-26T17:49:17Z")
> [@senoy](#): > > I mean that’s really the point. You can’t say ‘What are the limits of Trump supporters?’ because Trump supporters aren’t monolithic. I never said they were, and I believe I did ask what each Trump supporter’s turning point would be, if there actually was a point at which they would actually drop their support of him. I am not in favor of posts that dismiss his supporters as a whole-I find them counterproductive. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/38 "2018-06-26T18:16:10Z")
> [@senoy](#): > > Do you guys not have any Trumpian friends? There are certainly die-hards, but most of them can back out. The problem though is that they don’t live in the same world that we inhabit. They live in a world where they are being constantly gas-lighted. All of the time. I have offered this challenge to others and I have done it myself. Spend one week only watching Fox News and not getting Facebook news from your friends. The world actually shifts under your feet. The news and rhetoric that they are consuming is diametrically opposite of ours. Things that we see as Trump failures to them are great victories. They are living in a world populated by 1000 al-Sahhafs. If you look at the family separations as an example - there were two themes in their rhetoric. One was that this happens to American criminals too. If you’re a criminal in the US, they put your kid in foster care and these migrants are criminals, so they are being treated the same way we treat Americans. That’s a disagreement of opinion, but it was the other theme that was more insidious. It was that these separations were tragedies, but were actually the result of Democrats and that Trump was trying to stop them, but the Democrats wouldn’t let him. That is a sincerely held belief. No amount of evidence can convince them otherwise because they are getting 100x the evidence from their news sources that this is absolutely true. If you listened to Fox News, you’d hear stuff like, ‘The Obama-era law to separate children at the border came to the forefront of the news today due to Democratic Congressman blah blah blah.’ Things that were absolute lies are being sold as the truth and then confirmed by all of these talking heads. Interviews are taken out of context, minor mislabeling of pictures turns into proof of a greater conspiracy. And this has been happening for years. In their news sources, migrants aren’t families escaping poverty and violence, they are gang members kidnapping children and selling them into sexual slavery. They’ll hear one or two anecdotes and they are presented as indicative of every migrant. In their news sources, it’s tariffs that are working. When Harley Davidson moves, it’s not because of policies that force their hand, but because they are traitors to their country. Every bad thing that Trump does is the result of Democratic smear campaigns and not real. He doesn’t get any credit for the thousands of great things that he has done (What are they? We don’t know, because he never gets credit. In their mind, this multi-billionaire is the most oppressed guy on the planet. Poor thing.) There’s a documentary called **The Brainwashing of My Dad** that discusses the way the media he chose to consume changed the filmmaker’s father from a lifelong Democrat to an “angry right-wing fanatic”. The doc came out in 2015, so it predates the 2016 election and its aftermath. Some of it is too simplistic, but it’s interesting in its discussion of brainwashing techniques. I believe it’s on both Netflix and Amazon Prime. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/39 "2018-06-26T18:38:06Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I never said they were, and I believe I did ask what each Trump supporter’s turning point would be, if there actually was a point at which they would actually drop their support of him. I am not in favor of posts that dismiss his supporters as a whole-I find them counterproductive. Imagine for a moment you’d asked this question a year ago. Also imagine if you’d posted a list of possible “points”, and asked them to choose which one would stop them from supporting Trump: [ol] [li]Banning Muslim immigration[/li][li]Nominating incompetent people for cabinet posts[/li][li]getting into a trade war with Canada[/li][li]praising Kim Jong-Un[/li][li]putting toddlers in a concentration camp[/li][/ol] Would you have really expected anyone to say, “Nope, no problem!” to _everything_ in that list? And yet, here were are a year later, and they’re all perfectly okay with all that, and so much more. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776/40 "2018-06-26T19:10:13Z")
I’m not a Trump supporter, but the reaction to the current border issues has been an interesting one for me to observe. While I think that Trump has chosen one of the more cruel possible policies, and done so mostly out of hate and cruelty, I also realize that there are only bad options available here. If you keep kids together with their families, then you can’t keep them incarcerated for a long time, justifiably, because it’s cruel to keep kids in jail for months on end. If you let families with kids out of detention (which was effectively the previous policy), then some of them are just going to disappear into the country. And it also is an incentive for _more_ people to bring their kids with them. Which, hey, I’m mostly fine with. I approve of greatly increased immigration and am an advocate of (eventual) open borders. But I’m well aware that there’s zero political will for moving in that direction. I can see why he and his supporters think that a wall is a great solution to this. If there’s a giant wall that is really hard to get over, then things aren’t any better for refugees, but all the pain and heartbreak and violence done to immigrants is Somebody Else’s Problem. I can simultaneously believe that Trump is an asshole, but also that there’s no coherent immigration policy that we can seem to agree on as a nation, and that pointing out how much of an asshole Trump is doesn’t get us any closer to that. Also as a somewhat more right-leaning member of the board than the average poster (I’m probably in the “moderate democrat” range, nationwide), I can confirm that there are issues that I simply won’t talk about on this board because it feels unproductive (or, at least, which every time I am dumb enough to talk about them, I reconfirm that it was dumb to do so). For every person who is interested in a conversation, there are five people telling me I’m a moron and misconstruing my posts. It feels to me like this has gotten worse over the years, although that might be because I’ve moved to the right compared to the board over the years. Could be because I’ve become more of a moron, too. I mean, I don’t think that’s the reason, but the wisdom of the crowd says so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-trump-supporters-so-far-in-they-cant-back-out/816776.md?page=3)