# Are we being lied to about the value of STEM degrees? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 26, 2017, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-being-lied-to-about-the-value-of-stem-degrees/805291 "2017-12-26T01:03:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 115
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-being-lied-to-about-the-value-of-stem-degrees/805291/115 "2018-01-02T16:43:05Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Who’s going to, having spent as much as six to seven years getting a PhD and possibly more as a postdoc, going to then spend even more years getting the required education degree for a pay cut and worse working conditions? Such a person can probably still find a job in a private school or at worst take a crappy job in a temporary or non-tenure track position. While that’s the worst-case scenario, I don’t think you’ll get a lot of takers with an MS or BS degree either, not with the cost of needing yet another degree. The only person I knew in college who actually wanted to be a science teacher double-majored in chemistry and education and didn’t seem to have a very high opinion of her education classes. I’m guessing its because those education courses never fully prepare one to deal with inner city kids (meaning black). How does one teach to a high level when they wont do homework, wont listen, or wont even bother showing up for class? Plus how can a teacher teach when you have the halls filled with truent students interfering with classes? Oh, and just TRY and kick out the bad ones. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-being-lied-to-about-the-value-of-stem-degrees/805291)._