Are we being naive about the possibility of Egyptian "democracy"?

I have not referred to you as a “kike” so I would appreciate not being referred to as a “raghead”.

If that is how you think of me, please use the term “Muslim” or “Iranian” instead.

Nevermind, marriage laws…Sharia law is repugnant.

Since Israel allows Sharia courts to arbitrate family disputes clearly many Israelis disagree with you.

Also, thanks for not calling me a rag head. I appreciate it.

You Islamofascists see Jews as fodder for ovens in Europe, where you’d like Jews to go back to and let the populace finish off the rest of the Jewish race and if you could arrange it, somehow, it would have already been done.

I am a citizen of the USA. Israel is the place I go to when you Muslims have conspired to brainwash the rest of the world to destroy Jews everywhere.

Sorry for mistakenly thinking you were an Israeli. I should have realized that you were too ignorant of Israel to be a Sabra.

As to your other claims, I have no desire to kill Jews or Israelis.

Not all Muslims are fans of Hamas. Many of us would much rather watch the Super Bowl(as I’m doing now) than cheer on Hamas.

Finally, if you’re going to want to yank my chain, you’re going to have to try harder.

That said, I think it’s hilarious that while Broomstick and Diogenes are insinuating that I’m an Islamophobe, you’re accusing me of being an anti-Semite.

You guys should get together and compare notes.

True. There is no ethical justification for engaging murder, even state-sanctioned murder. I also do not expect anyone in the US to go to jail even one day for engaging in such conduct.

Oh, excuse me - I mistook you for an American. Or at least someone from a country where English if the first language - your English is excellent.

I’m not sure how telling the truth makes me a “bigot”. Even if that practice has been outlawed now that does not magically erase all the women who had it done before it became illegal.

I will also point out, to be fair, that you are entirley correct that FGM has nothing to do with Islam and much to do with Africa. It predates Islam by thousands of years based upon the large number of clitoris-free female mummies that have been dug up in Egypt. Nonetheless, I find it an utterly repugnant practice at odds with my culture. I can recognize that my disapproval will have no effect on the practice while continuing to state that I find it offensive.

To be fair, it is NOT mandated by any Islamic text. It is NOT found in most Muslim countries. In fact, many Islamic authorities have strongly opposed it. This is a largely African practice (there are a few isolated instances in other cultures outside Africa)

True. And both the Muslim and Christian authorities in Egypt have issued edicts against it. Nonetheless, it has happened and apparently continues in defiance of the law.

Again - people continue to inflict this on girls despite it being illegal. That, and a woman who was subjected to FGM 10 years ago, or 20, or 30, will still have the mutilation and scars today. They didn’t just disappear. It will take at least a generation or two for the last such women to die of old age. So even if the practice entirely stopped upon being outlawed (which we know it didn’t) there would still be a large number of mutilated women for decades afterward.

Not within Israel, although it does recognize marriage performed abroad.

If they’re Jewish Arabs, sure. Or an ethnic Jew who converted to Christianity could marry a Christian Arab, or an ethnic Jew who converted to Islam could marry a Muslim Arab.

Actually I was saying the current protesters are not representative of the Egyptian underclass. I think the Brotherhood is certainly more representative. And I think you’re naive to believe that some moderate Islamic republic is going to come out of this. The Brotherhood are fundamentally undemocratic and will not, in my opinion, sustain some moderate Islamic republic.

Hope I’m wrong.

Or at all.

There is zero mention of FGM in the Quran.

The majority of Muslims do not practice it.

It is, however, widely practiced among non-Islamic groups in areas where it is prevalent…just as it has for over 1,000 years.

FGM is a horrible practice that will hopefully be eliminated. But it is not a Muslim religious practice. To say that it “is not explicitly mandated by Islam in so many words” is like saying that eating “Eating tortillas is not explicitly mandated by Catholicism in so many words” because a subset of Catholics tend to like tortillas.

I think you don’t understand how Israelis view Jews and Arabs. In Israel being a “Jew” and an “Arab” are national not religious terms. All Israeli citizens have ID cards that list their Nationality but not their religion.

I.E. “Nationality: Arab”, “Nationality: Jew”.

Arabic-speaking Jews from Morocco, Iraq, Yemen or related countries are not considered Arabs and aren’t listed as such on their ID cards.

Furthermore, Israeli Jews who practice a religion other than Judaism are not considered Jews. In fact, members of the “Jews for Jesus” who were naturalized Israeli citizens from the US have been stripped of their citizenship and expelled despite having Jewish parents.

So no, people considered Arabs and people considered Jews can’t get married in Israel.

I’m both an American and an Iranian citizen.

If I may, in which country would you prefer to live in?

I think there is much rational fear about an uncompromising, barbaric ideology determined to bring the world under its control. It is not Islamophobia when they are really out to get you.

Who are this “they?” Do you know any Muslims? Are they out to get you?

I lived for two years in a Muslim village, and if they were out to get me they sure as hell failed at it, what with all that welcoming me into their homes, sharing their food and becoming my friend. Most Muslims are normal every day people just living their lives.

…what?

In 1944, there were some 10 million members of the Nazi party and some 80 million Germans. Most of them were nice, friendly people who would not have harmed anyone. But Nazi Germany was indeed at war.

There is a world-wide jihad being waged against all non-Muslims. You know about each event. You simply refuse to connect the dots.

Claiming that Islam is comparable to Nazism does not make it so.

Claiming Islam is a religion of peace does not make it so. Look at Islam’s bloody record and bloody borders. Look at how many places in the world Muslims are at war with their neighbours. Look at the repression and tyranny it exercises. If ever Islam tries to make me submit, it will be a good day to die, but to die fighting.

Is there, uh, anyone in charge of the “world-wide jihad against all Muslims” or do all the Muslims just kind of naturally know what to do and how to coordinate themselves?

The Nazis had a military, a charismatic leader, international recognition as a political force, etc.

Muslims are a diverse group of people spanning every continent, hundreds of cultures, and all kinds of political motivations. Your average Uigher naan vendor in the megacity of Chongqing is going to have nothing to say to, say, a Senegalese marbout from a small village. If they could find a common language, they might find it kind of neat that they are both Muslim, but otherwise there isn’t anything that really unites them. They would not even have a single religious authority (beyond the Quran) that they could commonly agree on.

It’d be like expecting all of the Christians- from newly converted Jehova’s Witness Papuan tribesmen to the Kennedy clan- to agree on a common purpose.

Beyond the obvious Sunni/Shi’ite/Sufi rifts, Islam’s decentralized power structure makes the idea that there is some coordinated Islam-wide movement to destroy us pretty unlikely. There is nobody in charge. There is no real avenue for anyone to be in charge. There is no Pope, no President, no Fuhrer. There are just a bunch of randos who might get enough of a local following to get some publicity for their teachings. Now and then someone tries to unite the Arabs (which encompasses just a small part of the Muslim world) but nothing has ever really come of it. If they can’t unite the Arabs, how the heck do you think they are getting the Tanzanians and Azerbaijanis to work in concert?

Christianity has an even bloodier record.

Personally I don’t agree with calling either Christianity or Islam “a religion of peace” but Islam has as much right to that term as Christianity.

Also, dude, you live in Canada so why would you possibly be worried about your nation being conquered by Muslims?

You might as well worry about a Mormon takeover of North America.

The Mormons WOULD like to take over North America. As well as the rest of the world. They already own Utah.