# Are we done with James Bond? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 26, 2005, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850 "2005-11-26T23:13:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Operation\_Ripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@Operation\_Ripper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Operation_Ripper)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/1 "2005-11-26T23:13:03Z")
Could have asked this question about Batman, until I saw [Batman Begins](http://imdb.com/title/tt0372784/), or … well can’t think of any other recent total redemptions. I’ve seen **all** the James Bond films in the theaters, but can only really remember seeing the one with [Halle Berry](http://imdb.com/title/tt0246460/) (for obvious reasons) and [Moonraker](http://imdb.com/title/tt0079574/), because of my great appreciation of the the shuttle project (ha!), cripes. Accordingly, are we done with James Bond? I’m sure I’m not indicative of the fan base, but if some great screenwriting doesn’t show up soon, what’s the point of continuing the series? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/2 "2005-11-26T23:16:50Z")
New Bond recently cast, Daniel Craig, and the next movie will be _[Casino Royale](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0381061/combined)_ directed by Martin Campbell, who did _Goldeneye_. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/3 "2005-11-26T23:24:35Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > New Bond recently cast, Daniel Craig, and the next movie will be _[Casino Royale](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0381061/combined)_ directed by Martin Campbell, who did _Goldeneye_. And personally, I’m _really_ excited about it. Daniel Craig was fantastic in Layer Cake, and I really think/hope he’s going to evoke Fleming’s early Bond. Drinking, smoking, arrogant, etc. All the things you want in a bad ass 00-agent. Also, Casino Royale was a great book - so at least there’s some pretty good source material for the scriptwriters. So no I’m not done. Yet. - Peter Wiggen ---
**Author:** ![Operation\_Ripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@Operation\_Ripper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Operation_Ripper)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/4 "2005-11-26T23:34:13Z")
… why has [Casino Royale](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale) not been done yet? Excluding, of course the [parody](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_%281967_film%29) and tv versions. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/5 "2005-11-26T23:43:51Z")
> [@Operation Ripper](#): > > … why has [Casino Royale](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale) not been done yet? Excluding, of course the [parody](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_%281967_film%29) and tv versions. From [here:](http://commanderbond.net/Public/Stories/2656-1.shtml) > [@](#): > > Because Fleming had already sold the film rights to his first James Bond novel, Casino Royale was not part of the 1961 Cubby Broccoli/Harry Saltzman film rights purchase deal that was the foundation of the James Bond/Eon Productions franchise. That’s what I’ve always understood as well - they just couldn’t ever get the rights to do it. - Peter Wiggen ---
**Author:** ![Operation\_Ripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@Operation\_Ripper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Operation_Ripper)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/6 "2005-11-26T23:45:12Z")
> [@PeterWiggen](#): > > From [here:](http://commanderbond.net/Public/Stories/2656-1.shtml) > That’s what I’ve always understood as well - they just couldn’t ever get the rights to do it. > > - Peter Wiggen Rodger that. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/7 "2005-11-27T00:14:37Z")
Bond? Fffft! Bond was a creature of the Cold War, and he has no place in the post-Soviet world. I have a warm place in my heart for the books, & most of the films, but there is no good reason to make new ones. I picture James Bond living just long enough to hear CNN broadcast the news that Politboro voted the Soviet Union out of existence, & then dying of a heart attack (all thoise ciggies) in the arms of a beautiful blonde, in the comfort of his own bed. Requisat in pace, Commander Bond. ---
**Author:** ![Operation\_Ripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@Operation\_Ripper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Operation_Ripper)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/8 "2005-11-27T00:23:56Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > but there is no good reason to make new ones. Well, that is the thrust of my OP, are there any good reasons to make new ones? Casino Royale seems a strawman in this context. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/9 "2005-11-27T00:28:44Z")
The problem with Bond is that the films haven’t really kept up with the times. Immediately after the Berlin Wall fell, Bond could continue as he was, because the world was still shifting out of that mode of thinking. Then 9/11 happened, and all our fears of some civilized bad guy bent on world domination got thrown out the window and replaced by some grubby guy in a cave. The Bond franchise, AFAIK, hasn’t bothered to acknowledge that yet, and until it does, it’s just a quaint holdover from the Cold War era. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/10 "2005-11-27T01:46:31Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Then 9/11 happened, and all our fears of some civilized bad guy bent on world domination got thrown out the window and replaced by some grubby guy in a cave. The Bond franchise, AFAIK, hasn’t bothered to acknowledge that yet, and until it does, it’s just a quaint holdover from the Cold War era. How often has Bond fought the Russians vs how many times has he fought some evil mastermind in a “cave”? ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/11 "2005-11-27T01:54:52Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > How often has Bond fought the Russians vs how many times has he fought some evil mastermind in a “cave”? IIRC SPECTRE agents often allied themselves with the Soviets, and IAC, the caves that Dr. No and the others operated out of, were rather opulent affairs filled with all kinds of high tech gizmos, and were ran by guys bent on world domination out of greed, not some twisted religious bent. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/12 "2005-11-27T01:58:05Z")
I reckon the Bond series has had it. It’ll continue, I think, just as a cliché of itself. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/13 "2005-11-27T01:59:30Z")
The obligatory James Bond Film Festival links. 😉 [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 1: Dr. No](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=194271) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 2: From Russia with Love](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=195426) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 3: Goldfinger](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=197003) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 4: Thunderball](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=198872) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 5: You Only Live Twice](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=200355) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 6: On Her Majesty’s Secret Service](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=201997) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 7: Diamonds are Forever](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=202333) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 8: Live and Let Die](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=203474) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 9: The Man with the Golden Gun](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=203688) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 10: The Spy Who Loved Me](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=205080) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 11: Moonraker](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=205291) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 12: For Your Eyes Only](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=206734) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 13: Octopussy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=211103) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 14: A View to a Kill](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=212749) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 15: The Living Daylights](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=214160) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 16: License to Kill](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=215589) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 17: Goldeneye](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=218148) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 18: Tomorrow Never Dies](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=257650) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 19: The World Is Not Enough](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=258823) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 20: Die Another Day](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=262580) [The James Bond Film Festival. Part 21: Casino Royale (1954)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=264712) [THe James Bond Film Festival. Part 22: Casino Royale (1967)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=6070594) ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/14 "2005-11-27T02:37:20Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > IIRC SPECTRE agents often allied themselves with the Soviets,. Nope. Sometimes SPECTRE subverted the Soviets (for instance, in _From Russia With Love_ or _You Only Live Twice_) but they never operated in direct cooperation with the Soviets or any other governmental body. SPECTRE, of course, is now owned wholly by Kevin McClory and cannot be used by Eon (Broccoli and company). I think the issue is less one of Bond being a Cold War creation (though there is that aspect) but that the filmmakers have run out of anything interesting to do with or to him. Given that there is almost zero continuity in tone, style, or background between the films, it’s impossible for the character to grow or change in any significant way, as he did in the later novels. Part of the problem with Bond is that it has become such an over-the-top parody of itself; in an effort to keep ramping up the stakes, he’s been written into a cartoon character, and while this was most evident in the Simon Templar-esque reign of Roger Moore (whose one good outing at 007, _For Your Eyes Only_ was one of the less profitable of his Bond films), it really started during the Connery years, with _You Only Live Twice_ (silly) and getting vastly worse with _Diamonds Are Forever_; at that point, for better or worse, the writers abandoned any pretense of following the Flemming novels and just used the titles and a few character names. Attempts to return to an old-style, more literary-based Bond have met with limited success, often because they coincided with a change in actor. _On Her Majesty’s Secret Service_ is an excellent film (not _just_ an excellent Bond film) but while it wasn’t the bomb described by some detractors it certainly earned less return than previous Bond films. _The Living Daylights_ harkened back to the Fleming concept of Bond as a cruel, hired gun troubleshooter with a dark, cynical outlook and a ruthless manner of executing his orders (it also had some of the best action scenes ever in a Bond movie), plus it invoked classic films like _The Third Man_ and _Lawrence of Arabia_, but cinema-goers didn’t much go either for it or its Dalton-played successor, the vengful _Licence To Kill_. Although I thought Brosnan would be the deathblow to the franchise–too weak, too dandyish, too big hair–he has actually acquited himself quite well when given decent material. Unfortunately, none of the Brosnan films have been consistantly good, and the last, _Die Another Day_, was an abomination. Note that this wasn’t because of the talent involved; I thought Judi Dench has done quite well as M, John Cleese makes an excellent replacement for Desmond Lewelyn as Q, Samatha Bond is quite lovely and yet fiercely devoted as Miss Moneypenny, and Michelle Yeoh was a fantastic ally/foil for Bond. But the scripts are lacking and the dialog mostly sophomoric. Perhaps it always was, and only Connery’s droll delivery made it passable, but the Bond franchise has been on its last legs for well over a decade, and that’s after having passed through full self-satire mode. It’s time to let 007 retire to a life of liesure in northern England, on a picturesque garden estate surrounded by beautiful women and guarded by lions. Ooft…sorry about that, wrong movie. Anyway, Bond needs to be done but good, and while Daniel Craig has the intensity to play a serious spy role–maybe a retooling of the Harry Palmer stories–I don’t see him throwing off the wisecracking one-liners that fans of the cinematic Bond have come to expect. Let…Bond…die. Please, don’t milk this franchise for any more than has already been squeezed out of it. Personally, I’m saddened by the hash that was made of _The Saint_. That could have been a great, somewhat lighthearted series; instead, it was written with absurd seriousness and grossly miscast in the starring role (though I’ll never complain about seeing Elizabeth Shue anytime, anywhere.) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/15 "2005-11-27T02:37:29Z")
EON productions have given up on making Bond movies. Nowadays, they’re just product placements and excuses to sell soundtracks, VGs, and keeping the [tm] James Bond alive. Had they really cared, they’d let Brosnan play Bond the way he played **Andy Osnard** in [The Tailor of Panama](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0236784/). If you haven’t seen it, do so and imagine what Bond in the 21st century could’ve been. And speaking of that - John Le Carré survived the end of the cold war and is arguably writing better than ever. If EON gave a rat’s ass about the franchise, they could keep up. Based on their last outing, I’m not holding my breath, new guy or old guy, proven director or not. I’ll see it, with extremely low expectations, in order to not be disapponted. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/16 "2005-11-27T03:06:17Z")
> [@The Gaspode](#): > > Had they really cared, they’d let Brosnan play Bond the way he played **Andy Osnard** in [The Tailor of Panama](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0236784/). If you haven’t seen it, do so and imagine what Bond in the 21st century could’ve been. Jesus, that’d be a riot! A semi-incompetent, near-rapist, troublesome agent with a penchant for sleeping with officials’ wives and sending bogus status reports back home. Heh. _The Tailor of Panama_ was basically a retooling of Graham Greene’s _Our Man In Havana_, but I have to admit I enjoyed the film immensely. > [@The Gaspode](#): > > And speaking of that - John Le Carré survived the end of the cold war and is arguably writing better than ever. If EON gave a rat’s ass about the franchise, they could keep up. Based on their last outing, I’m not holding my breath, new guy or old guy, proven director or not. I’ll see it, with extremely low expectations, in order to not be disapponted. Le Carré and film adaptations of his work are doing quite well–_The Constant Gardener_ was a good, if not great, film–but that’s a little bit of a different genre than Fleming. Le Carré never goes for the cheap, potboiler action. Bond films used to be known for their outrageous action–today, with a generation grown up on _Die Hard_ and Schwartznegger movies its pretty hard to top them without venturing into cartoon land. (Indeed, the Bond-ish satire _True Lies_ was most deliberately over the top in its action sequences while at the same time poking fun at what a nonentity Bond is as an actual person.) Unless they crank out a damn good trailer or it gets some kind of rave reviews from _The Onion A.V. Club_ I’m not even going to consider going to see the next Bond film. Having that pile of horsesh\*t of the last film shoveled out at me was enough to make me…well, enough to make me pretend that all the post-Sixties Bonds (except for _The Living Daylights_) never existed. They’d better have John Barry conducting, too. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/17 "2005-11-27T03:26:54Z")
> [@Ice Wolf](#): > > I reckon the Bond series has had it. It’ll continue, I think, just as a cliché of itself. You could say that some of the Moore-era Bond flicks were over the line into self-parody (_cough_Moonraker_cough_). Self-reference, of course, is something of a subtext in some of the recent Brosnan films (e.g. things such as the Halle-rising-like-Ursula shot in _Die Another Day_). But yes, Bond himself is a Cold War creature, and the _book_ Bond even more so. In the books Bond fought directly against SMERSH (a real Soviet covert agency) while in the films SPECTRE was a _private_ terrorist cabal with _allies inside_ Eastern Bloc forces but more often than not trying to play the Great Powers against one another (Goldfinger had _Chinese_ allies). The recent flicks have tried to adapt to late developments by including elements of “trying to stop rogue ex-Soviet officials selling doomsday weaponry to the highest bidder”, but there’s only so much you can milk that. However, there is yet another thing: in between his ocassional bouts of preventing Global Nuclear War or Pandemic, we must assume James is most often in charge of important but not quite apocalyptic covert-ops missions – in the short stories he IS seen at that aspect of his job. _Casino Royale_ (the book) is about Bond making sure a Communist official loses the Party’s money so _they_ will kill him – twist that around to Bond setting up some terrorist financier so _they_ blow him up. Non-apocalyptic, but MI6 does get rid of someone who needs killin’. (It’s gonna be interesting to see if ANY of Casino Royale (the book) beyond the title makes it into the movie of Casino Royale.) The challenge would be for screenwriters to make Bond interesting w/o having to Save The World from Armaggeddon or fight a mastermind supervillain – and for the audiences to care about such a Bond. A couple of times this has been attempted with the drug trade – in LALD and LTK – but that deviated from the espionage/covert ops world. Thing is, you don’t blow up much stuff while trying to, say, figure out who hacked the London Exchange’s computers (even if it IS an agent of a foreign power that wants to cause a deep recession in the West, who has let on he would defect except he’s secured in a compound in a rogue state with a Big Bad Weird Bodyguard, and what a coincidence, MI6’s top computer geeks are a pair of Hot Bond Babe twins). ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/18 "2005-11-27T09:21:14Z")
> [@Ice Wolf](#): > > I reckon the Bond series has had it. It’ll continue, I think, just as a cliché of itself. Well, the series became pretty much of a self-parody after the first few episodes, anyway. They figured out a formula, and it worked, so they just change specifics (evil genius with huge secret compound and a plot to control the world; evil genius’s beautiful woman; fancy gadgets which Bond uses, but never really affect the outcome; Bond gets captured, but ultimately figures a way to thwart evil genius, whose huge secret compound gets destroyed, etc.). They’ve succeeded because you know what you’re going to get in terms of the formula, and it’s amusing to see how they fill it out. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/19 "2005-11-27T09:40:29Z")
Depends on how long the audience for the self-parody will hold out, and therefore how long the series is profitable. I take it the movies are still at least breaking even? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850/20 "2005-11-27T09:58:42Z")
> [@Stranger On A Train](#): > > Roger Moore (whose one good outing at 007, _For Your Eyes Only_ was one of the less profitable of his Bond films) Personally, I thought _Octopussy_ was by far the best of Moore’s movies, and it also has the most (arguably the only) Cold Warlike plot of all the movies, in that it represents something the Soviets might’ve plausibly considered trying. Plus Maud Adams is smokin’ hot. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-done-with-james-bond/332850.md?page=2)