# Are we going to see Vice President Condi Rice . . . real soon? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 18, 2005, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822 "2005-10-18T23:09:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/21 "2005-10-19T00:42:14Z")
Not Condi. Colin. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/22 "2005-10-19T00:42:17Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > 😕 That’s a plausible course of events, but what would it have to do with Rove? It means that Rove is cooperating with the prosecutor and has cut a deal to finger Cheney. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/23 "2005-10-19T00:43:46Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Or to mean Rove would testify **against** Cheney (or has already done so)? Wouldn’t that be psychologically impossible for him? He’s been a political operative his whole adult life; that would kill his career deader than tinned sardine. Self preservation trumps political loyalty. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/24 "2005-10-19T00:52:42Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Not Condi. Colin. I used to think that, but not now. Colin is out. He wouldn’t take it even if it were offered to him. Do you think Bush wants a pain-in-the-ass VP like CP would be? Frankly, I think this whole speculation is crazy. Cheney is NOT going to be indicted. Not a chance. I don’t even think Rove is going to be indicted, although I wouldn’t put that probability too close to zero. Maybe around 25%. If anyone is indicted it’ll be Libby. ---
**Author:** ![SmackFu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/53a042/32.png) [@SmackFu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmackFu)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/25 "2005-10-19T00:54:28Z")
Build up the rumors of the actual VP getting indicted. Then when it’s only Rove, it can be spun as a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/26 "2005-10-19T00:56:46Z")
> [@Patty O'Furniture](#): > > Who does the GOP want on the 2008 ticket? That’s who will be picked to replace Cheney. Not a chance that they want to make that call just yet. (It’ll still wind up being George Allen, but they’ll want to wait another year or so before deciding that.) So they’ll pick a placeholder. Condi will do just fine. (Condi. Giuliani. Where do you guys get these ideas? The time when someone who actually might have to work to demonstrate their bona fides to the “Christian” Right can get the GOP nomination has gone for good.) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/27 "2005-10-19T00:58:58Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Frankly, I think this whole speculation is crazy. Cheney is NOT going to be indicted. Not a chance. I don’t even think Rove is going to be indicted, although I wouldn’t put that probability too close to zero. Maybe around 25%. If anyone is indicted it’ll be Libby. I don’t think there’s any doubt that Cheney is THE target. There is way too much smoke for there not to be any fire. I put Cheney’s odds of indictment at 90%, Bush himself at 10%. I’m only even thinking about Bush because the investigation seems to be expanding beyond the Plame case. I can guarantee that Powell will not be VP. He might even be a key witness for the prosecution. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/28 "2005-10-19T00:59:46Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Frankly, I think this whole speculation is crazy. Cheney is NOT going to be indicted. Not a chance. I don’t even think Rove is going to be indicted, although I wouldn’t put that probability too close to zero. Maybe around 25%. If anyone is indicted it’ll be Libby. This is about what I think, with the exception that I believe an indictment of Libby is certain. Cheney is far too much a power to resign, or be forced to resign. They’ll have to carry him out feet first. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/29 "2005-10-19T01:00:20Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I don’t think there’s any doubt that Cheney is THE target. There is way too much smoke for there not to be any fire. I put Cheney’s odds of indictment at 90%, Bush himself at 10%. I’m only even thinking about Bush because the investigation seems to be expanding beyond the Plame case. Put Bush at 0%. You can’t indict a sitting president, you need to impeach him first. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/30 "2005-10-19T01:02:56Z")
I see an opportunity to make some money here… Aynone want to bet that Cheney is going to be indicted? I’ll take the negative against anyone who wants the affirmative. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/31 "2005-10-19T01:03:23Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Put Bush at 0%. You can’t indict a sitting president, you need to impeach him first. 🙂 Hi there. Not to start a hijack, but… An interesting question, and one that has never been resolved. There is no constitutional provision or law preventing the indictment of a sitting president. There is plenty of theory that it can’t happen. Put the theory in one hand and an indictment in the other and see which one smells. That said, Bush is at 0% regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/32 "2005-10-19T01:07:40Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Not Condi. Colin. With all the anger he’s voiced about going along with the Iraq thing? No way. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/33 "2005-10-19T01:08:59Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I see an opportunity to make some money here… > > Aynone want to bet that Cheney is going to be indicted? I’ll take the negative against anyone who wants the affirmative. Shoes, **John**. Shoes. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/34 "2005-10-19T01:11:19Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Shoes, **John**. Shoes. But, but, but… it’s a sure thing! I can’t lose!! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/35 "2005-10-19T01:17:00Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I see an opportunity to make some money here… > > Aynone want to bet that Cheney is going to be indicted? I’ll take the negative against anyone who wants the affirmative. Odds? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/36 "2005-10-19T01:20:18Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > But, but, but… it’s a sure thing! I can’t lose!! 🙂 Other famous examples: “Aces and eights! What a great hand, this is my lucky day!” “We smash through the Balkans, Moscow by October, nothing to it.” ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/37 "2005-10-19T01:28:24Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I see an opportunity to make some money here… > > Aynone want to bet that Cheney is going to be indicted? I’ll take the negative against anyone who wants the affirmative. Put me down for 25 cents. Don’t be too sure that Bush can’t be indicted. Probably won’t happen, but “unindicted co-conspirator” might be his new first name. ---
**Author:** ![Dishfunctional](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/35a633/32.png) [@Dishfunctional](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dishfunctional)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/38 "2005-10-19T01:33:27Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > (Condi. Giuliani. Where do you guys get these ideas? Rice / Giuliani? I like it. Especially if she comes into '08 as the VP. IMHO, if all you’re worried about is convincing the “Christian Right” to vote for a Black woman and a New York Italian, the swing voters and disgusted Democrats that this duo would attract would far outweigh the fringies that might stay home, and **NONE** would vote another party, not even for spite. Or, I could be entirely out to lunch… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/39 "2005-10-19T01:35:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Other famous examples: > > “Aces and eights! What a great hand, this is my lucky day!” > > “We smash through the Balkans, Moscow by October, nothing to it.” If I bet the shoes, I cannot lose! > [@BLD](#): > > Put me down for 25 cents. At 90% probability, you’re betting 25 cents! The postage will cost you more than that. But, $.25 it is. We’ll figure out the details later. > [@](#): > > Don’t be too sure that Bush can’t be indicted. Probably won’t happen, but “unindicted co-conspirator” might be his new first name. Unindicted co-conspirator isn’t the same as being indicted, btw. But do you want to add another $.25 to the bet, on whether or not Bush is named an unindicted co-conspirator? Come on **Bob** , live large!! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/40 "2005-10-19T01:36:51Z")
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