# Are we going to see Vice President Condi Rice . . . real soon? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 18, 2005, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822 "2005-10-18T23:09:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/81 "2005-10-19T19:30:33Z")
Clarification: Of course, only Cheney and Bush would be subject to impeachment, and the ability of the GOP Congress to avoid doing it is questionable. The other indicted staffers would have to choose either resignation or G. Gordon Liddy’s preferred option, being ushered into an empty room with a desk, upon which would lie a pistol loaded with a single round. Well, one can daydream a bit, can’t one? ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/82 "2005-10-19T19:44:02Z")
IF Cheney is indited, I’m not sure he would step down. If he did, I bet Bush would pardon him before trial. As for a replacement VP, my money would be on Bill Frist. ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/83 "2005-10-19T19:45:46Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Clarification: Of course, only Cheney and Bush would be subject to impeachment, and the ability of the GOP Congress to avoid doing it is questionable. The other indicted staffers would have to choose either resignation or G. Gordon Liddy’s preferred option, being ushered into an empty room with a desk, upon which would lie a pistol loaded with a single round. > > Well, one can daydream a bit, can’t one? Cheney needn’t be impeached. Remember that other republican stalwart, Spiro Agnew? He was indicted and summarily resigned. Impeachment wasn’t necessary. Those were the good old days when a President merely covered up a break in, and the VP only accepted bribes in his Vice Presidential office. Now we have a prez and veep subject to much more serious charges and their Administration going in the tank. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/84 "2005-10-19T19:53:32Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I like Chris Matthews, he’s generally above board and fair. You can sense that he thinks this is the real deal. This is going to be huge. This will bring down the administration and the Republican Party. Patrick Fitzgerald is going to deserve his face on our currency when this is over. I like CM, too, and watch his show almost everyday. But he’s going waaaaaay out on a limb here. He’s gotten a little too full of himself on this one. ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/85 "2005-10-19T19:54:28Z")
This guy Tom DeFrank, Daily News reporter, is appearing on Hardball at 5pm today. Lately, Chris Matthews has been hammering Rove, Libby, et al, but he’s been mauling Cheney as a central figure in this CIA Leak Case. Yesterday he had David Gergen (U.S. News & World Report) and asked him - and Pat Buchanan if Cheney might have perpetrated the Plaome outing. Gergen assured us that Cheney’s a standup guy who would never cross the line. But Chris let him off easy, never asking Gergen if he could say Halliburton. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/86 "2005-10-19T19:56:43Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > IF Cheney is indited, I’m not sure he would step down. If he did, I bet Bush would pardon him before trial. > > As for a replacement VP, my money would be on Bill Frist. The Dems would have a field day with the shitstorm that would create. The fallout from that would be worse then the indictment itself or Cheney resigning. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/87 "2005-10-19T19:59:23Z")
> [@E = mc²](#): > > Yesterday he had David Gergen (U.S. News & World Report) and asked him - and Pat Buchanan if Cheney might have perpetrated the Plaome outing. Gergen assured us that Cheney’s a standup guy who would never cross the line. > > But Chris let him off easy, never asking Gergen if he could say Halliburton. I saw it, too. What is there to say about Halliburton? I know that a lot of lefties think just invoking that name automatically indicts Cheney (and Bush as well), but there has never been one instance of Cheney being tied to any Halliburton issues during this administration. ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/88 "2005-10-19T20:00:43Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > The Dems would have a field day with the shitstorm that would create. The fallout from that would be worse then the indictment itself or Cheney resigning. Go ahead and laugh, but it’ll be John McCain. It’ll be the easiest way for Dubya a modicum of face. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/89 "2005-10-19T20:05:08Z")
OK, all of you fellow BushCo haters, in the immortal words of The Wolf in _Pulp Fiction_: “Let’s not start sucking each other’s dicks just yet.” I know I used that one recently, but this is a very appropriate time for it. ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/90 "2005-10-19T20:06:12Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I saw it, too. What is there to say about Halliburton? I know that a lot of lefties think just invoking that name automatically indicts Cheney (and Bush as well), but there has never been one instance of Cheney being tied to any Halliburton issues during this administration. You’re asolutely right John. All those Halliburton no bid contracts, the shameless overcharging of the government, the work that never gets done but is billed for, etc., etc., they’re are all coincidental have nothing whatever to do with the fact that Cheney’s our VP. I’ll bet he even protested the company’s presence in Iraq and in post Katrina activities in this country, but he was overridden by that stentorian Harriet Miers. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/91 "2005-10-19T20:06:20Z")
> [@E = mc²](#): > > Go ahead and laugh, but it’ll be John McCain. It’ll be the easiest way for Dubya a modicum of face. Bush won’t pardon Cheney if he’s indicted and Cheney won’t be able to stay in office it he is. The political damage would be too great. Would McCain even accept a VP nomination from Bush? He’s been critical of some of the administration’s policies. Bush would likely pick someone from his inner circle. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/92 "2005-10-19T20:08:46Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > there has never been one instance of Cheney being tied to any Halliburton issues during this administration. You must not have been paying much attention, then. Search the name along with “no bid contracts” and there’s a whole lot there. Oh, you mean, he’s never been the subject of an official investigation? Well, who’d have the ability to start one? ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/93 "2005-10-19T20:26:07Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Bush won’t pardon Cheney if he’s indicted and Cheney won’t be able to stay in office it he is. The political damage would be too great. Would McCain even accept a VP nomination from Bush? He’s been critical of some of the administration’s policies. Bush would likely pick someone from his inner circle. Frankly, I hope you’re right. If McCain were the VP going into the next presidential election, he’d be an absolute shoo-in. Might be, in fact, no matter what. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/94 "2005-10-19T20:56:22Z")
> [@Jackknifed Juggernaut](#): > > OK, all of you fellow BushCo haters, in the immortal words of The Wolf in _Pulp Fiction_: > > “Let’s not start sucking each other’s dicks just yet.” > > I know I used that one recently, but this is a very appropriate time for it. Grow a penis, Spiro Agnew… Well, with luck, we may get a something like honest political system out of this, again. Maybe. Damn shame we need a Watergate every thirty years. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/95 "2005-10-19T21:12:16Z")
Let’s just remember the bigger picture here: we’re not just talking about outing of an undercover CIA agent (and her associates, and the front companies she was working with as a cover), which is pretty serious already… we’re talking about the outing of an undercover CIA agent as part of a _vendetta_ to promote _going to war on falsified intelligence._ The same hubris that led to the outing of Valerie Plame is the same hubris that’s gotten us stuck in that Damn Fool Quagmire™ in Iraq right now. As far as karma’s concerned, payback looks like it’s gonna be a **bitch** … ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/96 "2005-10-19T21:15:49Z")
The erroneous intelligence the president and Congress got was _from_ the CIA, Valerie Plame’s employer. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/97 "2005-10-19T21:38:34Z")
> [@Walloon](#): > > The erroneous intelligence the president and Congress got was _from_ the CIA, Valerie Plame’s employer. Excepting of course the shit that the office of special plans [bought off of Chalabi](http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact) _et. al._ It would not do to forget that. And the [white house Iraq group](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Iraq_Group) , rumor has it that those guys just made stuff up out of whole cloth in order to further their marketing campaign. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/98 "2005-10-19T21:39:45Z")
> [@E = mc²](#): > > You’re asolutely right John. All those Halliburton no bid contracts, the shameless overcharging of the government, the work that never gets done but is billed for, etc., etc., they’re are all coincidental have nothing whatever to do with the fact that Cheney’s our VP. > [@Elvis](#): > > You must not have been paying much attention, then. Search the name along with “no bid contracts” and there’s a whole lot there. > > Oh, you mean, he’s never been the subject of an official investigation? Well, who’d have the ability to start one? Got a cite that links Cheney to any of those things? What do you guys do on Halloween, going around shouting “Halliburton” instead of “Boo!” Sorry, but you just can’t trump up charges like that and be taken seriously by anyone except left wing partisans. Who’d have the ability to start one? The same folks who started the investigation that is the subject of this OP. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/99 "2005-10-19T21:42:54Z")
“Rumor has it” is always one of my favorite sources. Something for everyone! ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822/100 "2005-10-19T22:10:03Z")
It has been a long time since I have seen Dr. Rice speak without thinking either, “I think she’s lying,” or “I know she’s lying.” In other words, I’m delighted to imagine the Republicans pinning their hopes on that weasel. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-going-to-see-vice-president-condi-rice-real-soon/326822.md?page=6)