# Are we lousing the war we started in Iraq? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 9, 2003, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-lousing-the-war-we-started-in-iraq/217906 "2003-12-09T13:43:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-lousing-the-war-we-started-in-iraq/217906/41 "2003-12-10T19:56:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by 5que \* > Hummmmmm. Maybe while nurturing we can explain how the guy who got the most votes lost the election in this democracy. John Ellis, Katherine Harris, Karl Rove, Antonin Scalia, Willian Rehnquist, Clarence Thomas, Sandra Day O’Connor… ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-lousing-the-war-we-started-in-iraq/217906/42 "2003-12-10T19:59:57Z")
Unfortunately, due to the first-past-the-post system, it won’t help you too much. At least not with that. ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-lousing-the-war-we-started-in-iraq/217906/43 "2003-12-10T20:10:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*Who still gives a shit about the 2000 election? It’s over! Move on and get with the times for chrissakes. We have so many problems today, and we still have idiots who are concerned with the events of 3 years ago. \*\* Well, considering I voted for Bush, I got over it pretty quickly. But I still don’t think that the person who comes in second should be the winner _in anything_. Waiting for someone to say that “so many problems today” might be problems 'cause of 2000. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-lousing-the-war-we-started-in-iraq/217906/44 "2003-12-10T20:30:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*Who still gives a shit about the 2000 election? It’s over! Move on and get with the times for chrissakes. We have so many problems today, and we still have idiots who are concerned with the events of 3 years ago. \*\* The problems of today were indirectly caused by the reuslts of the 2000 election. While obsessing over 200o is counterproductive to the goal of winning the White House back to the American people in 2004, it should never be forgotten that the GOP are morally bankrupt usurpers of popular democracy. If the Democrats had behaved in as high-handed a manner as the GOP, deliberately lying to foment a war that has killed hundreds of American soldiers for example, the GOP would be threatening civil war by now. As Molly Ivins said so eloquently in last Sunday’s column, the Republicans don’t wish to govern, they wish to rule. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-lousing-the-war-we-started-in-iraq/217906/45 "2003-12-10T20:55:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*The problems of today were indirectly caused by the results of the 2000 election. \*\* I think speculating on how life would be different if President Gore was in office is an utter waste of time. There are a million things that may or may not have happened. The only thing we need to worry about is how to prevent that stupid fiasco from occurring again. \*\* > [@](#): > > While obsessing over 200o is counterproductive to the goal of winning the White House back to the American people in 2004, it should never be forgotten that the GOP are morally bankrupt usurpers of popular democracy. If the Democrats had behaved in as high-handed a manner as the GOP, deliberately lying to foment a war that has killed hundreds of American soldiers for example, the GOP would be threatening civil war by now.\*\* I think the Democrats and the GOP are a bunch of fucking halfwits, and wouldn’t be surprised if the Gore admin had fucked up affairs in a completely different yet equally destructive fashion. Like Bukowski says, “warm shit, cold shit, it’s all shit” We have to vote Bush the fuck out. Forget Clinton and his blowjobs, and forget the fucking election of 2000. Vote Bush _out!_. It’s all that matters now. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Serpentine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@Silver\_Serpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Serpentine)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-lousing-the-war-we-started-in-iraq/217906/46 "2003-12-11T06:51:17Z")
I wish I had my notebook full of history with me - otherwise I tend to get a little foggy on details. But just let me pull out two or three things I faintly remember about history, and why I laugh when people start talking about how we’ve never helped terrorists. I’m sure someone will be along to correct or elaborate. 1. Our CIA trained Osama Bin Laden during the 79-89 (?) Afgan-Russian War. Gave him all kinds of neato weapons to play with, too. 2. How concerned are we, really, with rebuilding a country? After the above-mentioned war, where Afganistan (am I spelling this correctly?) helped us Contain The Red Threat, we left them alone. Having been destroyed by Russia. I think I’d be a wee bit peeved, too. 3. We helped/hid/funded (which one?) Irish terrorists. Er. I’m foggy after that. 4. **’possum stalker** ’s post: Hell, we were good buddies with Saddam for years. The U.S. shamelessly supplying him with conventional and chemical weapons which he used to attack Iran, which we liked, and kill hundreds of thousands of his own people, who we frankly didn’t give two shits about. If only I had my tusty notebook. I could cite more whoosits. Didn’t Bush Sr. and Bin Laden’s family do gobs of oil business together, too? If so (again, correct me if no business was done), wouldn’t Bush’s family have been supporting Osama, indirectly,i nstead of Iraq? Hurm. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-lousing-the-war-we-started-in-iraq/217906/47 "2003-12-11T11:58:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by AnimistDragon \* > \*\* > > 1. Our CIA trained Osama Bin Laden during the 79-89 (?) Afgan-Russian War. Gave him all kinds of neato weapons to play with, too. > \*\* I don’t think that this is exactly true. I think that we trained some Afghanis, but didn’t train the “Arab-Afghans” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-lousing-the-war-we-started-in-iraq/217906.md?page=2)