Many Trump fans fully understand that it is the refusal of the government to enforce duly passed immigration laws, not the illegal aliens themselves, that is to blame. Jeb Bush did everything but stand on the north bank of the Rio Grande handing out green cards from the back of a Chevy van, to make it clear to his donors that he would give them the cheap labor they so desperately crave. That’s why the real hate in this campaign is between Trump supporters and the Jeb Bush wing of the GOP.
As far as “blacks”, there’s been a lot of Soros-funded clowning going on (BLM, black brunch, bringing down a university president because random yahoos yelled “nigger” from a passing truck) that doesn’t deserve to be engaged with on any kind of serious level. So Trump doesn’t.
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Exapno Mapcase **point is clearly that claiming that Soros is funding BLM is not accurate, FOX people like O’Reilly are just fooling many conservatives.
How will enforcing immigration laws convince capitalists to bring jobs back from Asia and pay higher wages? Trump fans have a reason to be angry, but the target of their blame is so misplaced it’s hard to take them seriously.
I read the link he provided. What it says is that the three people who pushed Bernie Sanders off the stage didn’t get any money from Soros. But then later in the article, his foundation said it donates money to “groups working on issues arising out of the Black Lives Matter movement.”
I suppose this is like when the CIA donated money to “groups working on issues arising out of the coup against Mossadegh.”
You made the explicit claim that Soros funded “BLM, black brunch, bringing down a university president because random yahoos yelled “nigger” from a passing truck”.
What exactly is the concern with immigration at this point in time?
More Mexicans are leaving the United States than entering, with the overall flow lower than it has been since the '90s.
Unemployment has dropped dramatically. And wages are starting to rise.
I am confused but my limited understanding is that the actual problem being experienced is the loss of middle class jobs, especially but not only for those without a college education, and most dramatically in rural America.
The only way I can see building a bigger wall and more effort to deport those who are here illegally and to make sure that their status remains illegal helps further improve employment is that both would be government jobs programs, hiring people to build the wall and to try to round people up and deport them.
If all illegal immigrants were raptured out of the labor market tomorrow, wages at the bottom would rise significantly, that is just basic economics. But the prices of many things would also rise, like the meat that is produced by illegal immigrant farm, ranch, and slaughterhouse workers, and buildings built by illegal immigrant workers.
Inexpensive food and shelter are very beneficial, especially to poor and middle class people. So are higher paying jobs.
The population isn’t divided up into two groups, one that benefits from illegal immigration, and another that is harmed by it. All of us are in both groups, to one degree or another.
There is a trade off going on here that doesn’t usually get discussed realistically when the issue comes up. There is a lot of zealotry from all directions.
Yeah, we can stop right there. I’m not really interested in discussing Christian fundamentalist sci fi today.
Real world. Rapture is not on the table at this particular moment
Why is the issue of cracking down on illegal immigration so particularly of high priority now when the actual numbers currently show an efflux and show both improved employment numbers and wages?
Isn’t the issue in fact the hollowing out of the middle class, particularly for those without college education (and on the Democratic side, the cost of that college education)? Yup, as discussed in several threads here, non-college educated Whites used to still have reasonable shot at being broadly middle class, decent paying Blue collar jobs, but now they are looking at service industry work if lucky enough to be working at all more commonly. That sucks for them and I am not being cute. It does.
There are many contributing factors to that circumstance and addressing it intelligently and fairly must be a high priority item. What does not contribute to it is a tremendous increase in illegal low wage workers that in fact in no way exists.
It’s not an increase because the time period you are comparing to also had very high levels of illegal immigrant labor.
The counterfactual is not in the past where there were a smidgen more, but a hypothetical future where there are far less. My suggestion is that this scenario could play out as follows: teenagers and laid off low-skill workers would easily be able to find $15-$25 an hour jobs, but they might not be able to afford a steak dinner or new roof due to increased cost of labor.
Yes, he does say that, and then praises Trump repeatedly, praises and defends his positions, and prints a letter from a Trumpist and calls it “beautiful.”
Adams supports Trump and is trying to convince people to vote for him. When he claims to not support Trump, he’s lying.
Is there new, actual data to support this claim, or are you relying on that Pew Research study which concluded that there was a net efflux during the period from 2008-2014?
One article I read about Trump indicated a strong correlation between Trump supporters and low income and low education. More specifically, working class people from manufacturing based communities and regions that have been suffering an economic decline, really since the late 70s. These are people who did not share in the “success” of the dot-com boom, the real estate market bubble, or the second tech bubble we are experiencing now. What they are experiencing is their factories being closed by moving overseas and their small stores being undercut by big box stores like Walmart that buy goods cheaply in China.
So for them, Trumps message of protectionism strikes a chord, regardless of how misguided it is.
It does suck for them. But these are not issues that Trump can fix. The “hollowing out of the middle class” is one of the side effects of economic trends that have existed since the 70s (possibly earlier). Globalization, automation, disruptive technology, urbanization. This is not going to change any time soon.
Well, both sets are right on that point, aren’t they?
What else are they to do, then, be content with the Establishment, forever? That’s just doing the same thing over and over in hopes of a different result, it’s insanity.
Like Hell they do. Such “refusal” is practically nonexistent. And the Trumpers are all about hating targets they can see or vividly imagine – not some faceless dilatory bureaucrats.