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[snip] I just find it sort of silly when they go one step further to deciding who is not entitled to use the title – because there is almost always going to be someone else who will in turn look at them and say “no, you’re not entitled to use it, either, only we are.”[snip]
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Hehe. I actually know M.D. who doesn’t think Dentists should be called Dr., and a Dentist who said that Veterinarians shouldn’t be called Dr.
Personally, I’m calling them all “Bob”.
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Hehe. I actually know M.D. who doesn’t think Dentists should be called Dr., and a Dentist who said that Veterinarians shouldn’t be called Dr.
Personally, I’m calling them all “Bob”.
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How about Dr. Bob?
[QUOTE=light strand]
Hehe. I actually know M.D. who doesn’t think Dentists should be called Dr., and a Dentist who said that Veterinarians shouldn’t be called Dr.
Personally, I’m calling them all “Bob”.
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Sounds like an insecure MD.
IMHO, in health care settings only the health care docs should be referred to as “Doctor”. This means MD, DO, DPM, DMD, DDS, DVM, OD, PhDs who see patients, and probably a few others. This minimizes confusion a little bit.
Basically if it’s a professional title, and if they’re conducting their business in said professional setting, they get to be called “Doctor” if they want.
Outside of my professional setting, I hate being called doctor. The “glamour” wore off years ago. So did my ego. Mostly.
QtM, Bob
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How about Dr. Bob?
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Sorry, but to me there’s only one Dr. Bob. He’s a friend of Bill’s.
[QUOTE=Qadgop the Mercotan]
Sounds like an insecure MD.
IMHO, in health care settings only the health care docs should be referred to as “Doctor”. This means MD, DO, DPM, DMD, DDS, DVM, OD, PhDs who see patients, and probably a few others. This minimizes confusion a little bit.
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If you balance this with saying that the opposite holds true in a laboratory setting (only the PhD is referred to as “doctor”) then I can get behind that.
[QUOTE=Fiveyearlurker]
If you balance this with saying that the opposite holds true in a laboratory setting (only the PhD is referred to as “doctor”) then I can get behind that.
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That was my point. If you use your doctor’s degree at work, then at work you should be the doctor.
Perhaps the most egregious violation of the “Doctor” rule is the calling of EdD school administrators (e.g., principals or superintendents) “Doctor Smith.” And I’m talking “Dr. Smith” at every PTA meeting or school function.
Puhleeze. An EdD in education is a sleepwalking contest. The dissertations I’ve seen are so much post-modern psychobabble.
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Puhleeze. An EdD in education is a sleepwalking contest. The dissertations I’ve seen are so much post-modern psychobabble.
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I’m surprised you are comfortable making such disparaging remarks about an entire group.
I too have seen reason to question to rigor of some EdD programs.
However, I also know of programs that are valid, rigorous, and even scholarly. And I know some EdD recipients who are deserving of considerable professional respect.
I haven’t read many EdD dissertations, true enough. You have more patience than me. Frankly, I don’t read many PhD dissertations, either. My work now tends to direct me more to their scholarly output and professional accomplishments after the dissertation. Not all of that is stimulating reading, either, of course.
Some psychology doctorates are EdDs because the programs are housed in Colleges of Education. To be licensed, and for the program to meet American Psychological Association accreditation standards, it must be just as rigorous as, and incluse the same core content as, an accredited PhD or PsyD program, as well as meeting the same educational and examination standards for licensure in that state.
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I’m surprised you are comfortable making such disparaging remarks about an entire group.
I too have seen reason to question to rigor of some EdD programs.
However, I also know of programs that are valid, rigorous, and even scholarly. And I know some EdD recipients who are deserving of considerable professional respect.
I haven’t read many EdD dissertations, true enough. You have more patience than me. Frankly, I don’t read many PhD dissertations, either. My work now tends to direct me more to their scholarly output and professional accomplishments after the dissertation. Not all of that is stimulating reading, either, of course.
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Surprised, madam? I delight in making such sweeping comments–delight!
Ahem. Clearly, I’m talking about the preponderance of EdD courses.
Even that second remark brings me much joy. 
Not to beat a dead horse, but Carnac’s statement about Ed.D. programs was quite off-putting. I’d hope that one would review a CV - publications, papers, presentations, courses taught, etc. before one labels a program or course of study a “sleepwalk.” My Ed.D. totin’ peers in the past several years have chosen professorships at research-intensive institutions in the U.S. and around the world. Not to brag or anything, but I think my CV, grants earned, etc. puts me right up there with a Ph.D. I knew the Ed.D. thing would potentially be an issue, so I took that stuff seriously.
(FTR, I think my institution was the first to award the Ed.D., and continues to do so because a Ph.D. would be conferred by the Faculty of Arts and Sciences, not by the Faculty of the School of Education. All doctoral-level degrees in law, government, education, medicine, and business, I believe, are granted by those respective faculties. Here, anyway.)
It should be noted that there are Ed.D. programs with less rigorous requirements out there… but that’s probably true of any degree program, and the institution and degree holder will probably reflect that. Personally, I have met brilliant people in programs I’d previously never heard of, and been less than impressed by those which are considered to be stellar.
And yes, as you’ve noticed, nobody reads dissertations, period, besides dissertation writers and their committee (sometimes). Put it in an article or a book, then we’re talking, smartypants.
Not to beat a dead horse, but Carnac’s statement about Ed.D. programs was quite off-putting (silenus made a similar comment in the thread about classroom management). I’d hope that one would review a CV - publications, papers, presentations, courses taught, etc. before one labels a program or course of study a “sleepwalk.” My Ed.D. totin’ peers in the past several years have chosen professorships at research-intensive institutions in the U.S. and around the world. Not to brag or anything, but I think my CV, grants earned, etc. puts me right up there with a Ph.D. I knew the Ed.D. thing would potentially be an issue, so I took that stuff seriously.
(FTR, I think my institution was the first to award the Ed.D., and continues to do so because a Ph.D. would be conferred by the Faculty of Arts and Sciences, not by the Faculty of the School of Education. All doctoral-level degrees in law, government, education, medicine, and business, I believe, are granted by those respective faculties. Here, anyway.)
It should be noted that there are Ed.D. programs with less rigorous requirements out there… but that’s probably true of any degree program, and the institution and degree holder will probably reflect that. Personally, I have met brilliant people in programs I’d previously never heard of, and been less than impressed by those which are considered to be stellar.
And yes, as you’ve noticed, nobody reads dissertations, period, besides dissertation writers and their committee (sometimes). Put it in an article or a book, then we’re talking, smartypants.
(On preview, what Shoshana said.)
Sorry about that. What would you expect from an Ed.D. candidate, anyway?
**Hippy Hollow, ** was your second post original scholarship? Because it reminds me of something very similar that I read very recently.
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**Hippy Hollow, ** was your second post original scholarship? Because it reminds me of something very similar that I read very recently.
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Here comes the plagiarism charges…
“But I meant to cite, I just forgot.”
I hope you read that section of my syllabus.
[The Pretender]
Old lady in hospital bed: Are you a doctor?
Jarod: I am today.
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Sorry, I’ve been dying to do that for the entire thread. 
Ph.D. in Performance Studies.
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**Hippy Hollow, ** was your second post original scholarship? Because it reminds me of something very similar that I read very recently.
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What do you expect from a plaigarist?
[QUOTE=Judith Prietht]
Ph.D. in Performance Studies.
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Pardon my ignorance! What are Performance Studies? It is related to business efficiency or art, or something quite different?
Here’s your opportunity to fight ignorance today! 
