# Are you a racist? Warning signs **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2014, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519 "2014-07-07T08:12:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/981 "2014-07-30T23:09:42Z")
> [@common\_good](#): > > Oh, I am beginning to understand how this forum works; and how it does not. Most of you are Social Darwinists, a well-respected pile of manure among the well-placed. Your deltoids must be amazing from all those chips you carry on your shoulders. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/982 "2014-07-30T23:13:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Who’s running? A study has been performed that showed zero correlation among self-identified African Americans between African genetic admixture and lower test scores. It’s an old study, but the methodology was fine. The other side has had plenty of opportunity to recreate this study with more modern genetic methods, but they have not done so. It wouldn’t necessarily be particularly difficult, nor particularly expensive. Why haven’t they done it? > > If anyone’s running, it’s the side that makes claims about genes without actually _doing any science_ about genes. Oh you have A study? Well that settles it, then. I’m sure every one of the zillions of other studies done on race and achievement all say the exact same thing. No need to look any further! Thread finished! No more books on the topic need ever be written! I’m not gonna enter into the debate because I’m not really strongly on either side of it. But the kind of half-assed reasoning you demonstrate here is not gonna help you with people in the middle. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/983 "2014-07-30T23:15:24Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Oh you have A study? Well that settles it, then. I’m sure every one of the zillions of other studies done on race and achievement all say the exact same thing. No need to look any further! Thread finished! No more books on the topic need ever be written! There’s no other study that shows any sort of relationship between African genetic admixture and test scores, among black people, at least that I know of. Many studies show black people scoring lower on various tests, but none of them correlate to any sort of specific genes or genetic markers. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/984 "2014-07-30T23:18:49Z")
> [@furt](#): > > I’m not gonna enter into the debate because I’m not really strongly on either side of it. But the kind of half-assed reasoning you demonstrate here is not gonna help you with people in the middle. We’re not here to “help anyone in the middle.” Just to point out facts. As iiandyiii said, “many studies show black people scoring lower on various tests, but none of them correlate to any sort of specific genes or genetic markers.” There is no “middle.” ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/985 "2014-07-30T23:37:29Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > We’re not here to “help anyone in the middle.” Just to point out facts. As iiandyiii said, “many studies show black people scoring lower on various tests, but none of them correlate to any sort of specific genes or genetic markers.” There is no “middle.” Inability to accurately quote is also less than impressive. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/986 "2014-07-31T00:03:27Z")
> [@common\_good](#): > > Oh, I am beginning to understand how this forum works; and how it does not. Most of you are Social Darwinists, a well-respected pile of manure among the well-placed. > I’m not looking for inclusion. Not here, anyway. Bragging ? That is the expected response. Well, I’ve given mine. Are others too disdainful of IQ tests to reveal theirs ? Hard to believe. No, I cannot prove my claim. I don’t care what others think about that. I don’t know you, but if you’re new here you should know Marley is all about his Heather clique friends and doesn’t give a rat’s ass about “fighting ignorance.” He is all about (snaps bubble gum) us, us, us! He’s totally catty. Keep that in mind. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/987 "2014-07-31T00:07:41Z")
> [@common\_good](#): > > Oh, I am beginning to understand how this forum works; and how it does not. Most of you are Social Darwinists, a well-respected pile of manure among the well-placed. Ok, now we’ve reached the word salad stage. > [@levdrakon](#): > > I don’t know you, but if you’re new here you should know Marley is all about his Heather clique friends and doesn’t give a rat’s ass about “fighting ignorance.” He is all about (snaps bubble gum) us, us, us! He’s totally catty. Keep that in mind. Don’t you have sluts to shame or something? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/988 "2014-07-31T00:11:03Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Ok, now we’ve reached the word salad stage. > > Don’t you have sluts to shame or something? Only you, honey bunny. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/989 "2014-07-31T00:17:31Z")
I can’t say I’m shamed by being called a slut, but OK. The problem is this, **levdrakon** : we have our racists and we have our woman-haters. They’ve always been separate and it’s unfair to ask you to shoulder the burden of being both a racist and a woman-hater. It’s too much work for any one asshole because you’ll get all slack and gross and just be sort of a troll. Pick one shtick and just work with it. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/990 "2014-07-31T00:19:20Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I can’t say I’m shamed by being called a slut, but OK. The problem is this, **levdrakon** : we have our racists and we have our woman-haters. They’ve always been separate and it’s unfair to ask you to shoulder the burden of being both a racist and a woman-hater. It’s too much work for any one asshole because you’ll get all slack and gross and just be sort of a troll. Pick one shtick and just work with it. Oh, don’t stop there big boy. Godwinize me. You know you want to. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/991 "2014-07-31T00:23:04Z")
Feh. This is some lazy shit, and if there’s one thing the Nazis _weren’t_, it’s lazy. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/992 "2014-07-31T00:29:09Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Feh. This is some lazy shit, and if there’s one thing the Nazis _weren’t_, it’s lazy. Anti-semitic because! ---
**Author:** ![common\_good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@common\_good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/common_good)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/993 "2014-07-31T00:37:38Z")
> [@Calatin](#): > > Your deltoids must be amazing from all those chips you carry on your shoulders. My deltoids ? I don’t recall where those are, despite the notion that I’m a jock, or a jock-strap, maybe. It’s not a chip. It’s a log. Social injustice pisses me-off. It’s that simple. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/994 "2014-07-31T00:39:10Z")
> [@furt](#): > > I agree, and to add: if it is true, it’s going to come out sooner or later. Running from the question and discouraging or avoiding the research may help deny the racists ammunition now, but its going to make them stronger later. Hilarious. You cretins have thread after thread dedicated to your POV… oh sorry, you have no strong opinion on it, you just have to run in like FP to defend racists… and that means that people are “running from the question.” ---
**Author:** ![common\_good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@common\_good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/common_good)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/995 "2014-07-31T00:46:19Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Ok, now we’ve reached the word salad stage. > > Don’t you have sluts to shame or something? You can’t write fiction like this exchange. That’s why I prefer stream-of-consciousness thinking. It gets to the heart of things better than fiction can. Didn’t mean to derail this tet-e-tet. Word salad stage. Marvelous ! ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/996 "2014-07-31T01:01:56Z")
On any given issue, everyone accepts scientific studies that supports their side and dismisses studies that support the other side as “unscientific.” ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/997 "2014-07-31T01:06:06Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I can’t say I’m shamed by being called a slut, but OK. The problem is this, **levdrakon** : we have our racists and we have our woman-haters. They’ve always been separate and it’s unfair to ask you to shoulder the burden of being both a racist and a woman-hater. It’s too much work for any one asshole because you’ll get all slack and gross and just be sort of a troll. Pick one shtick and just work with it. Come on! Hector is doing a fine job being both. There can be more! You’re just trying to limit all of their glory. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/998 "2014-07-31T01:16:31Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > On any given issue, everyone accepts scientific studies that supports their side and dismisses studies that support the other side as “unscientific.” History shows that this is a false equivalence. [http://faculty.plattsburgh.edu/richard.robbins/legacy/editors\_choice/scientific\_racism.htm](http://faculty.plattsburgh.edu/richard.robbins/legacy/editors_choice/scientific_racism.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/999 "2014-07-31T01:41:36Z")
> [@furt](#): > > But the kind of half-assed reasoning you demonstrate here is not gonna help you with people in the middle. You think there’s a “middle” on scientific racism? Are we in “teach the controversy” territory? ---
**Author:** ![orangeapples](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@orangeapples](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orangeapples)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1000 "2014-07-31T02:19:58Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Truth has nothing to do with \*\*\*who \*\*\*says it. > If racist assholes claim that 1 + 1 = 2, and their opponents claim that 1 + 1 = 6, then the racist assholes are correct _ **on that issue.** _ > If Adolf Hitler claimed that 1 + 1 = 2, and his opponents claimed that 1 + 1 = 6, then Hitler would be correct _ **on that issue.** _ That is so completely not what I said, or meant. But the fault is my own if my meaning was not clear. If you are wrong _ **on that issue** _, then anyone that agrees with you _ **on that issue** _ is as wrong as you are and if someone else is right on that same issue, then they remain right no matter how dumb you find them to be. That was my intent, plain and simple, and certainly does not extend to any and all issues under the sun. It might seem I’ve conflated wrongness with racist asshole-ness, and by extension that I am claiming that they’re wrong no matter what because they’re wrong _ **on that issue.** _ I am not in fact doing so. I have known racist assholes and I know for certain they are right on occasion. I fully accept I’ve been wrong before even though I’m not a racist asshole. I regret the confusion my poorly constructed remarks might have caused. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519.md?page=51)