# Are you a racist? Warning signs **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2014, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519 "2014-07-07T08:12:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1341 "2014-08-11T19:39:51Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > You honestly don’t understand how that question has no relevance to this topic? Aw, fuck it. Might as well have some fun. Why not? How do you know that? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1342 "2014-08-11T19:48:03Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Aw, fuck it. Might as well have some fun. > > Why not? How do you know that? Let’s try it this way: what relevance do you think it has? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1343 "2014-08-11T19:54:09Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Let’s try it this way: what relevance do you think it has? No, let’s try it the other way. YOU opened your big yap and made a claim about my question. Now back it up, big mouth. Show me that intellectual rigor you think you have. Explain yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1344 "2014-08-11T19:55:13Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > If you think this question has anything at all to do with the question of whether there is a genetic basis for IQ differences between races, then you are too fucking stupid to be participating in this thread. You’re years and years too late. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1345 "2014-08-11T20:02:10Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You’re years and years too late. You make a simple mistake. Consistently. You confuse the power you have as a mod with the power you have to debate well. It seems you even think yourself to be of above average intelligence. If you are, you are hiding it better than some ex-Nazi concentration camp guard hiding out in the open fro 70 years. Like hall monitors and rent-a-cops the world over, you have an amusingly high estimation of yourself. At least it is amusing. So, thanks. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1346 "2014-08-11T20:03:41Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > No, let’s try it the other way. YOU opened your big yap and made a claim about my question. Now back it up, big mouth. Show me that intellectual rigor you think you have. Explain yourself. Here’s the thing–there’s hundreds of ways to be wrong and only one way to be right. If you are really _ **dispassionately** _ interested in what your error is, explain why you think it has any relevance, and I will address that specific error. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1347 "2014-08-11T20:12:05Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Here’s the thing–there’s hundreds of ways to be wrong and only one way to be right. If you are really _ **dispassionately** _ interested in what your error is, explain why you think it has any relevance, and I will address that specific error. I asked a question YOU made a claim, a rather rude one at that and for no apparent reason. But here it is: [QUOTE=Evil Economist] If you think this question has anything at all to do with the question of whether there is a genetic basis for IQ differences between races, then you are too fucking stupid to be participating in this thread. [/QUOTE] Now, YOU explain yourself, big mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1348 "2014-08-11T20:13:44Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I asked a question YOU made a claim, a rather rude one at that and for no apparent reason. But here it is: > > Now, YOU explain yourself, big mouth. OK, here’s the answer: your question has nothing at all to do with the question discussed in this thread. Happy? Also, you don’t seem _ **dispassionate** _, which I’m given to understand is a problem when you’re trying to do science. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1349 "2014-08-11T20:20:12Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > OK, here’s the answer: your question has nothing at all to do with the question discussed in this thread. Happy? Wrong, shithead. And when I show you that it does, via my answer to **iiandyiiii** , will you acknowledge your error? > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Also, you don’t seem _ **dispassionate** _. Newsflash: just because a word strike you as new and shiny does not mean that it is new and shiny to others. You’re not very good at this logic thing, are you. No need to answer _that_ question. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1350 "2014-08-11T20:27:42Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Wrong, shithead. And when I show you that it does, via my answer to **iiandyiiii** , will you acknowledge your error? You’re so lacking in _ **dispassion** _. There’s a guy in this thread who would explain to you how that’s a bad thing when doing science, unless he’s some sort of hypocrite. And if I show you that it has nothing to do with the topic in this thread, will you also acknowledge your error? Or is this like the _ **dispassion** _ thing, that only applies to other people? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1351 "2014-08-11T20:31:34Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You’re years and years too late. 10 years and 1 month. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1352 "2014-08-11T20:43:53Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I have a tangential question that I’d like iiandyiiii, et all, to answer. Hopefully with a yes or no. With elaboration if they’d like. > > Question: Is there a genetic component to sexual preference? And why do you think that? You must have this Pitting confused with GQ, you racist shitstain. Fuck off with your transparent JAQing off. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1353 "2014-08-11T23:16:44Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I have a tangential question that I’d like iiandyiiii, et all, to answer. Hopefully with a yes or no. With elaboration if they’d like. > > Question: Is there a genetic component to sexual preference? And why do you think that? Nitpick but it’s et al (nitpickier, it’s et al. because al. is an abbreviation for alii, aliae, or alia depending on the gender of the group you are referring to). Anyway, to answer your question for myself, I have to honestly say I don’t know. I’m not a geneticist so what I know of genetic traits is second-hand at best. And as far as I’m aware there isn’t a clear consensus on the degree to which sexual preferences are genetic in origin. It could range anywhere from zero to a hundred percent although I’d consider both extremes unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2014, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1354 "2014-08-12T05:38:13Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > You’re so lacking in _ **dispassion** _. There’s a guy in this thread who would explain to you how that’s a bad thing when doing science, unless he’s some sort of hypocrite. > > And if I show you that it has nothing to do with the topic in this thread, will you also acknowledge your error? Or is this like the _ **dispassion** _ thing, that only applies to other people? :rolleyes: Uh, how about _you_ answer the question? I’ll even help you: an appropriate answer will start with a “Yes” or “No”. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2014, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1355 "2014-08-12T05:42:50Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You must have this Pitting confused with GQ, you racist shitstain. Fuck off with your transparent JAQing off. Hi, Dumb-dumb. 🙂 Lucky for me, I guess, you guys have watered down the meaning of the word “racist” to take a great deal of the sting out of it. Oh, and you may want to read the rules regarding the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2014, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1356 "2014-08-12T06:19:47Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh, and you may want to read the rules regarding the Pit. Go suck/lick a Chief Pedant and variants. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2014, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1357 "2014-08-12T08:32:06Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh, and you may want to read the rules regarding the Pit. Your junior-modding “racialist” ass can _also_ go fuck a cactus. ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2014, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1358 "2014-08-12T10:54:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That’s not what I’ve proposed. Discrimination, negative media depictions, and other possible obstacles didn’t end in the 60s, you ignorant coward. OK; are you proposing that discrimination, negative media depictions and other possible obstacles are the reason that children from educated and wealthy black families (whose parents apparently overcame these obstacles and are now in a position to get their own children an optimal education using techniques from their own life experiences) barely perform on par with children from poverty-stricken and undereducated white families? I remain underwhelmed by your reasons, and overwhelmed by the stark and persistent pattern of skillset outcomes. ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2014, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1359 "2014-08-12T11:04:30Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > No. What we’re saying is that people like you are still around. As long as there are still racists, there is still racism and the effects of racism. Well your label of “racist” is an entirely arbitrary one applied, apparently, because I think biology has not been egalitarian in the distribution of eveolved and introgressed genes among descendant populations separated by historic migration patterns. So you can say people like me are still around. As it turns out, science is creating more of them everyday as the proof for gene patterns becomes increasingly obvious. But that’s not a reason, per se, that children from highly privileged black families show different average skillset outcomes for academic performance than do children from other self-identified groups who are severely underprivileged. It’s just a label, absolutely empty of any actual explanatory value. For someone like me who aggressively supports race-alone AA preferences for academic advancement for blacks, it’s particularly empty of content. I can’t tell you how many admission committee meetings I’ve sat in where the entire thrust of the conversation is to how we can get black kids into and through medical school, for example. Ditto for me out in the workplace, where the same conversations take place about getting black candidates into the workplace and making sure the real racist barriers are removed. ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2014, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519/1360 "2014-08-12T11:07:43Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > They damn well aren’t, unless poor white families face the same racial prejudices as rich black families, which they don’t. So, in summary, you think the reason children from educated and wealthy black families underachieve academically is because they are going to jail? Or is there some other “racial prejudice” at play affecting their ability to learn and write exams? Your original contention was that it was incarceration rates, I believe. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519.md?page=67) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-racist-warning-signs/692519.md?page=69)