# Are you a Tolkien person or a Lewis person? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 5, 2006, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-tolkien-person-or-a-lewis-person/338550 "2006-01-05T08:36:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-tolkien-person-or-a-lewis-person/338550/201 "2014-01-29T00:26:14Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Oh, that’s perfectly normal for 14-year-old boys. We’ve all been through that stage. Yeah, by that age I’d already mastered the Land O Lakes Indian Girl Butter trick. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-tolkien-person-or-a-lewis-person/338550/202 "2014-01-29T01:47:16Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > U.S. Christianity has a serious P.R. problem if, in fact, a majority of Protestants don’t actually believe in Hell, because the major publicity machines – radio and tv – are absolutely dominated by it. Well, not necessarily a majority of US Protestants (there are more evangelicals than mainline), but a massive amount of them. > [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > The Eastern Orthodox don’t believe hell has been emptied. There is more tolerance of ‘hopeful universalism’ in the east than in Western Christianity, but they definitely still believe in hell. Here’s some discussion. > [What is Orthodox Hell? | Eclectic Orthodoxy](http://afkimel.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/what-is-orthodox-hell/) > > "Whatever differences may exist between the Greek and Latin Fathers, they are united on the retributive, vindictive nature of the punishments of hell. A minority report does exist, of course—represented by Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Gregory of Nyssa, Isaac of Ninevah, and perhaps also Ambrose—but it is a minority report (see John Sachs, “Apocatastasis in Patristic Theology“; for an older, albeit flawed, presentation of universalism in the patristic period, see J. W. Hanson). Eventually the retributive views of Augustine in the West and the Emperor Justinian in the East prevailed. " There is a tradition in the Orthodox Faith that Hell has been conquered and therefore, even if one says it isn’t empty right now, Hell is more of a Purgatory type of idea - where one works out their sins (see: “Christ The Conqueror of Hell” by Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev) ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-tolkien-person-or-a-lewis-person/338550/203 "2014-01-29T05:12:23Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Yeah, by that age I’d already mastered the Land O Lakes Indian Girl Butter trick. 🆒 Crikey! I didn’t learn that one till I was in my fifties! ---
**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-tolkien-person-or-a-lewis-person/338550/204 "2014-01-29T14:27:47Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Yeah, by that age I’d already mastered the Land O Lakes Indian Girl Butter trick. 🆒 Seems like a lot of work for not a lot of benefit to me. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-tolkien-person-or-a-lewis-person/338550/205 "2014-01-29T14:51:05Z")
> [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](#): > > Seems like a lot of work for not a lot of benefit to me. _Sigh_ Kids these days. Back in the old days, we didn’t have the internet, and we had to _work_ for our titillation. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-tolkien-person-or-a-lewis-person/338550/206 "2014-01-29T14:51:39Z")
> [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](#): > > Seems like a lot of work for not a lot of benefit to me. You’re not a 14-year-old straight boy in an era without internet, either. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-tolkien-person-or-a-lewis-person/338550/207 "2014-01-29T15:05:56Z")
Simulpost! Great minds, and all that… ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-tolkien-person-or-a-lewis-person/338550/208 "2014-01-29T15:33:50Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > That comment came, not from Lewis, but from Hugo Dyson—see [this article](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/4726760/Tolkien-was-not-a-writer.html) which is well worth reading anyway for Tolkien enthusiasts… That was interesting, thanks. But in this passage, _…there is just a strange moment when the hobbits are about to settle down to a meal with the elves, and the older, more dignified elves turn silently in prayer towards the east…_ Wilson is mistaken, I think. It was Faramir and his Rangers in Henneth Annûn, their hiding-place behind the waterfall, who turned towards the west, to Valinor and lost Númenor, not Elves who turned towards the east. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-tolkien-person-or-a-lewis-person/338550/209 "2014-01-29T15:44:23Z")
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**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-tolkien-person-or-a-lewis-person/338550/210 "2014-01-29T16:12:46Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > _Sigh_ Kids these days. Back in the old days, we didn’t have the internet, and we had to _work_ for our titillation. Kids? I’m 44. To be fair we probably only didn’t learn the trick because I’ve never seen that butter for sale in the UK. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-tolkien-person-or-a-lewis-person/338550.md?page=10)