# Are you a white, liberal, atheist man? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 10, 2021, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420 "2021-09-10T03:14:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/21 "2021-09-10T11:17:18Z")
I check all four boxes, I bounce between the Greens and the Liberals here in Canada federally and anti-Conservative in Manitoba provincially. I almost voted for the question item in the poll, but I am keeping my smart assery on the DL. ---
**Author:** ![saje](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saje/32/3631_2.png) [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/22 "2021-09-10T11:20:11Z")
White ✔ Liberal ✔ Atheist ✔ Not male, however. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats2)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/23 "2021-09-10T11:32:52Z")
Ditto. Eww, that word conjures up Rush Limbaugh!!! ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/24 "2021-09-10T11:36:33Z")
Three out of four but nominally Catholic. Not atheist, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/25 "2021-09-10T11:41:05Z")
White? Arguable. I certainly _look_ white, but I define myself as Jewish in terms of race. Liberal? On some issues. In general, I think of myself as center-left, although I’ve been leaning more towards the “left” part recently. Atheist? Nope. Mildly observant Jew, and somehow still a believer. Man? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![TheCuse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thecuse/32/2854_2.png) [@TheCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheCuse)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/26 "2021-09-10T11:46:34Z")
White male. Protestant. Middle-of-the-roader (left-leaning on some issues, and right-leaning on others). ---
**Author:** ![essaychess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@essaychess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/essaychess)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/27 "2021-09-10T12:04:38Z")
Easiest poll ever. All four categories. I was also born and raised in the American South, and if that was added as a fifth choice I bet there’d be a lot fewer of us. ---
**Author:** ![The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_wind_of_my_soul)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/28 "2021-09-10T12:25:21Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > not-entirely-cis male How is someone “not-entirely-cis”? Are you intersex? > [@Alessan](#): > > I certainly _look_ white, but I define myself as Jewish in terms of race. Is there another ethnicity that you think the Jewish race would better fall into? I was having this conversation with my friend a few weeks ago, and he was claiming that geographically Jews would fall into the category “Middle Eastern” and therefore be considered whatever Middle Eastern people are considered (Asian, I think?). I’m half Jewish and have always considered myself white. 23 and Me considers Jewish to be a European race, and I think every European race is considered white. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/29 "2021-09-10T12:41:36Z")
> [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](#): > > and therefore be considered whatever Middle Eastern people are considered (Asian, I think?) Middle Eastern people are usually considered white on things like the census. But AIUI being Jewish is more like being Hispanic; it’s not a race but more of a cultural thing (and in fact there are plenty of people who are both). And in the poll, assuming the people voting for the title are yeses, white liberal atheist males are still in the lead over the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/30 "2021-09-10T12:48:01Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I know that most Dopers are male, most are white, most are liberal, and most are atheist. What I’m curious to see is if there is so much overlap that even people who fit all four categories would still be in the majority. Almost. I count myself agnostic. ---
**Author:** ![Sooner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sooner/32/7875_2.png) [@Sooner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sooner)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/31 "2021-09-10T12:50:16Z")
I am 3 out 4 of those things. 4 for 4, if classical liberalism = liberal; but on this board I doubt the majority would agree with that statement. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/32 "2021-09-10T12:54:46Z")
> [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](#): > > Is there another ethnicity that you think the Jewish race would better fall into? I was having this conversation with my friend a few weeks ago, and he was claiming that geographically Jews would fall into the category “Middle Eastern” and therefore be considered whatever Middle Eastern people are considered (Asian, I think?). I’m half Jewish and have always considered myself white. 23 and Me considers Jewish to be a European race, and I think every European race is considered white. There are lots of different kinds of Jews. European Jews can be considered white, but what about North African Jews? Persian Jews? Yemenite Jews? Ethiopian Jews? Basically, you have two options: either all Jews are not the same race - or all Jews _are_ the same race, and that race isn’t “white”, it’s Jewish. Since race is 90% politics, I’m going with the latter. We are all one tribe, one People. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/33 "2021-09-10T12:57:58Z")
21st Century Schizoid Man.\* \*radical centrist. ---
**Author:** ![The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_wind_of_my_soul)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/34 "2021-09-10T13:02:52Z")
Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_wind_of_my_soul)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/35 "2021-09-10T13:08:41Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > There are lots of different kinds of Jews. European Jews can be considered white, but what about North African Jews? Persian Jews? Yemenite Jews? Ethiopian Jews? > > Basically, you have two options: either all Jews are not the same race - or all Jews _are_ the same race, and that race isn’t “white”, it’s Jewish. I’m not sure if I’m not following you, or if I just disagree. If someone of, say, Swedish descent winds up living in Ethiopia, and stays there for centuries but has children only with other Swedes, then their offspring would be Swedish, even if they had settled in Ethiopia. And I don’t think anyone would make the argument that Swedes are their own race, they’d call those people “white people living in Ethiopia.” I don’t see why an Ethiopian Jew would be any different. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/36 "2021-09-10T13:18:45Z")
Brown, liberal, Lutheran Christian, man here. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/37 "2021-09-10T13:24:39Z")
> [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](#): > > I’m not sure if I’m not following you, or if I just disagree. If someone of, say, Swedish descent winds up living in Ethiopia, and stays there for centuries but has children only with other Swedes, then their offspring would be Swedish, even if they had settled in Ethiopia. And I don’t think anyone would make the argument that Swedes are their own race, they’d call those people “white people living in Ethiopia.” I don’t see why an Ethiopian Jew would be any different. I think you are a bit confused about Ethiopian Jews (Beta Israel). This picture might help: [![](https://i2.wp.com/ringmar.net/irhistorynew/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ethiopia-Beta-Israel.png?resize=1204%2C800) ](https://i2.wp.com/ringmar.net/irhistorynew/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ethiopia-Beta-Israel.png?resize=1204%2C800) Also, as the son of an Ashkenazi woman and a Sephardic man, the two sides of my family definitely LOOK very different. And have picked up lots of cultural nuances from the locals (which has now been re-blended into something new and unique in Israel) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/38 "2021-09-10T13:28:39Z")
> [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](#): > > I’m not sure if I’m not following you, or if I just disagree. If someone of, say, Swedish descent winds up living in Ethiopia, and stays there for centuries but has children only with other Swedes, then their offspring would be Swedish, even if they had settled in Ethiopia. And I don’t think anyone would make the argument that Swedes are their own race, they’d call those people “white people living in Ethiopia.” I don’t see why an Ethiopian Jew would be any different. Ever seen an Ethiopian Jew? An American would call them “Black”. And yet, despite my own paler skin, blonde hair and blue eyes, I do not consider myself to be a separate race from them. In short, Jews - at least, Israeli Jews - consider themselves a race. Who are you to tell us we’re wrong? ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/39 "2021-09-10T13:39:56Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Yes to all. (But I voted for the thread title.) I did the same, then clicked “see vote” and I was allowed to change it. ---
**Author:** ![Keeve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@Keeve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keeve)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420/40 "2021-09-10T13:42:56Z")
Race? I really don’t understand that concept, especially the way the US Census separates hispanicity from other stuff. (And don’t bother trying to teach me what “race” means, because it will vary with context, as in, "Why do you care what my race is?) My skin is Caucasian and my ethnicity is Jewish. I used to be very liberal, back when the liberals were openminded and got along with opposing points of view. But then they started rejecting viewpoints similar to mine, so I guess I’m a conservative by default. Very theist. Biologically and genetically male. Preferred pronouns are he, him, his. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-a-white-liberal-atheist-man/950420.md?page=3)