# Are you all happy now? (handy has been banned) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 25, 2003, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227 "2003-11-25T18:49:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/21 "2003-11-25T19:34:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Corrado \* > \*\ ***Moderator’s Note:** > I have edited the thread title in order to make it more clear that this is about **handy** having been banned. As there are several threads on this and we are consolidating, I’m just trying to make it clear where one can post on the subject. > > **World Eater** - if you’d prefer a different attachement or statement that would clarify the thread subject, please e-mail me and I’ll modify it as the hamsters allow. > Thanks! > John Corrado \*\* If you like you can change it to “Are you all happy now? (handy has been banned) - Plus, World Eater has nice big muscles” Otherwise I think it’s fine. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/22 "2003-11-25T19:40:41Z")
Personally, I wouldn’t consider a thread about sex a medical topic. Especially as the OP was not asking about the medical aspects of sex, but rather the reasons for engaging in it unsafely. It was really more of a sociopsychological thread than a medical one. I’m sorry, but bad call, **Lynn**. I can’t say I’m terribly sorry to see him go, but I don’t think it was deserved, in this particular instance. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/23 "2003-11-25T19:50:11Z")
**Matchka** : It was about **handy** having been told not to do something and then doing it again. ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/24 "2003-11-25T19:52:32Z")
This has to be one of the stupidest bannings I’ve ever seen. I find it hard to believe that any normal person would take what handy posted as a “medical topic”. He was talking about condoms, which happen to have some relation to a physical fact about the human body. Hey, what if he posted about hair growing? Which is besides for the fact that he qualified with an “assuming”. Looks like Lynn was out to get handy, with one excuse or another. She did not distinguish herself here. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/25 "2003-11-25T19:55:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by IzzyR \* > \*\*…Looks like Lynn was out to get handy, with one excuse or another. She did not distinguish herself here. \*\* Perhaps he was secretly a Republican. I understand that there is some conspiracy around here to martyr them or something. ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/26 "2003-11-25T19:57:50Z")
We do not know what has gone on beyond what we see here. For all we know, he has been told three times within the past two days that he’s not to post things like he did. This doesn’t look like a vendetta. It looks like he was told, and continued on his way anyway, and was banned. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/27 "2003-11-25T19:58:54Z")
> [@](#): > > I can’t say I’m terribly sorry to see him go, but I don’t think it was deserved, in this particular instance. Ever had a girlfriend that did a horrible misdeed, you forgave her, she did them again, you forgave her again, repeat ad nauseum, then she did one small thing and you broke up with her? That’s what I think happened. The “last straw” as it were. I don’t feel the least bit shitty about it. Good riddance. ---
**Author:** ![TPWombat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbce88/32.png) [@TPWombat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TPWombat)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/28 "2003-11-25T20:01:38Z")
I am saddened. I am in Portsmouth, England, drinking 15 year-old Highland Park for the first time while watching a Discovery Channel documentary about the 1700 BC eruption of Vesuvius. This is the first time I have ever thought “where am I”, so that in years to come I can say where I was when I first heard that xxxxx died/ XXXX happened. \ I hope they let him off. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/29 "2003-11-25T20:02:45Z")
Trash to the curb I say. He was told not to do X. He did X in the estimation of the Admins. He was Banned. Good riddence. Why anyone would bother lamenting the loss of a fountain of ignorance in a board dedicated to fighting it is beyond me. Handy got plenty of chances. He blew them all and now is gone. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/30 "2003-11-25T20:04:33Z")
Just to clarify, **handy** ’s loopy opinion on condoms wasn’t the issue (although the whole sperm/pores thing could probably be debunked too). **handy** posted that women do not get pregnant while on their period, which is a medical fallacy. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_With_The_Golden_Gun)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/31 "2003-11-25T20:06:00Z")
Looks like **Guinastasia** is in the lead, now. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/32 "2003-11-25T20:07:44Z")
I’m not happy to see him go, but if the banning of a single person might make the board faster, **handy** was that person. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlett67](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scarlett67/32/7387_2.png) [@Scarlett67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scarlett67)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/33 "2003-11-25T20:10:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by IzzyR \* > **Which is besides for the fact that he qualified with an “assuming”.** Pretty big (and incorrect) assumption, though (I paraphrase): “Assuming a woman can’t get pregnant during her period.” Kind of like assuming that a bullet fired into your skull won’t kill you: a dangerous assumption on which to base any actions. Debate is moot, really, IMHO: He was warned not to do something, and went ahead and big fat did it anyway. He’s had plenty of second chances. ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/34 "2003-11-25T20:13:55Z")
I don’t go for all this “things going on behind the scene that only the moderators know about” jive. Not that there necessarily aren’t. But if Lynn posts that he was banned for violating his warning about posting about medical topics I tend to think that was in fact what he was banned for. And his post was not something reasonably understood to be a medical topic. And I don’t buy the “straw that broke the camel’s back” argument either. If handy had received multiple warnings about incorrect information, one might argue this. His warning was about medical topics. **Rysler** , you are off base. Firstly, whether women get pregnant during their periods is not a medical topic, any more than any other fact about the human body. Besides, in the context in which it was presented, it was not a fallacy, let alone a medical fallacy. While it is possible for women to get pregnant during their periods, it is relatively uncommon. So while you might not offer this as birth control advice, it you were testing the efficiency of condoms it might be a reasonable assumption. (And I note again, that he did use the “assuming” qualifier). (To clarify my earlier remarks: I have no reason to think that Lynn had anything personal against handy (let alone ideological). But it has been my observation here that when a poster gets too unpopular on these boards, the mods are very very quick to ban him, and anything that can be possibly interpreted in some way as a bannable infraction can trigger it) ---
**Author:** ![SmackFu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/53a042/32.png) [@SmackFu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmackFu)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/35 "2003-11-25T20:14:45Z")
You can’t say debate is moot, and then state as a fact the item that’s being debated. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/36 "2003-11-25T20:22:07Z")
I think that **Lynn** made the correct call here. Granted the thread wasn’t about medical issues and **handy** was okay with his first post. However, the second post when he said > [@](#): > > I still don’t get where some people get the notion that using a condom is considered ‘safe sex’. It might be considered ‘safer sex’ but there is still alot of STDs a person can get wearing a condom. Also condoms fall off, or split. was probably the issue. He makes it sound like with a condom or without your chances of getting an STD are the same. I think that maybe we should keep him around here where we are used to his shit and can keep an eye on him, and not let him loose onto other boards where ignorance is bound to be greater and he could cause some serious damage. ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/37 "2003-11-25T20:23:09Z")
I liked the guy. I’ll miss him. As I’ve said before in these threads, people were too quick to dismiss **Handy** ’s short posts. Many, many of them had just that little bit of a sting in the tail to stop and make you think. My favourite ever **Handy** post came while the World Trade Center was burning: “Another shitty day”. At first, I thought it was a grossly misplaced attempt at humour. It’s powerful understatement revealed itself slowly. That was what I liked about that bloke. Cheers **Handy**. IMHO, you made the SDMB a better place. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/38 "2003-11-25T20:25:10Z")
Mostly I just shrug my shoulders over this, but if I look at this objectively I have to agree with **Q.E.D.** I fully understand however why it might be near impossible for **Lynn** and the other Admins/Mods to view this instance as isolated. Just another reason why I’m glad I’m not an Admin/Mod. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/39 "2003-11-25T20:26:20Z")
**Handy** commited Board Suicide. His medical mis-information on that thread alone seemed geared towards increasing accidental pregnancies and spreading dis-information on safe sex. If his banning leads to One less accidental pregnancy or One less person infected with HIV, then his banning was worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227/40 "2003-11-25T20:27:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Q.E.D. \* > Personally, I wouldn’t consider a thread about sex a medical topic. Especially as the OP was not asking about the medical aspects of sex, but rather the reasons for engaging in it unsafely. It was really more of a sociopsychological thread than a medical one. So, do you think it would be fine for him to post false medical information if he hijacked a thread, then? It’s splitting hairs to say “but it wasn’t a medical topic” when that was clearly medically-related information. If he said in a thread about cleaning up after cooking that you shouldn’t worry because the bacteria on your cutting board after you cut up chicken probably won’t be a big deal, that’s on average the case, but if you’re unlucky then hello salmonella or other unpleasantness. The “topic” is cooking, but that’s medical information. Same with getting pregnant during the woman’s period - for the average woman that is usually the case, but shouldn’t in any way be taken as fact. And having sex might not be “medical” enough for you, but getting pregnant sure is medical. There are plenty of obstetricians out there who’d disagree with you in that respect. **adam yax** , I do hate to say it, but there are in fact certain STDs that you can get while wearing a condom during intercourse, depending on what STD your partner is infected with. Herpes is a standout example. However, he was told to not make medically-related posts. Whether his facts were right or wrong, he did so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-all-happy-now-handy-has-been-banned/215227.md?page=3)