# Are you bothered that most American police unions will endorse Republicans swiftly? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 8, 2020, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787 "2020-07-08T22:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/41 "2020-07-09T19:14:01Z")
As LI goes, so does NY State. Pataki won LI in his governor runs, both Cuomos won LI on their way to the governorship. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/42 "2020-07-09T19:19:16Z")
No it doesn’t. I just showed you the numbers in 2016. Why do you continue to insist on using alternative facts? ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/43 "2020-07-09T20:29:33Z")
Not at the presidential level, at the statewide level. A Republican doesn’t need to win NY, they need to perform well in the suburbs like LI and Rockland County to stay competitive. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/44 "2020-07-09T20:49:44Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > It doesn’t matter if they are unreliable—millions of Americans watch. Millions of Americans watched ‘Sponge Bob’ too. Almost NONE of them have any interest in seeing a ‘Patrick’ stay in the White House even one day longer than they are legally required to. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2020, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/45 "2020-07-09T21:28:32Z")
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about and are just saying things to avoid admitting that LI has no bearing on the greater state of NY. LI will probably stay red in this election. As will other republican districts around the country. Would be nice if they turned blue but no party is running the table in the coming election and nobody is expecting a complete route of the GOP. Stop watching right-wing media news and freaking yourself out. ---
**Author:** ![Hatchie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hatchie/32/3983_2.png) [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2020, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/46 "2020-07-09T21:52:29Z")
I say Defund the New York Yankees. Now that would be a winning strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/47 "2020-07-10T00:45:40Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Stop watching right-wing media news and freaking yourself out. I see no indication that he’s freaking out at all. Although he is stirring the pot, and Just Asking Questions a lot. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/48 "2020-07-10T00:51:21Z")
I got the vibe he’s a panic stricken reactionary. Perhaps my meter needs re-calibration. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/49 "2020-07-10T01:36:43Z")
As it was posted early: > ### [Trump’s Attacks On ‘Defunding The Police’ Are Falling Flat, Poll Shows](https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/07/08/trumps-attacks-on-defunding-the-police-are-falling-flat-poll-shows/#300ad122a1a0) > > Voters aren’t buying the president’s claim that Democrats are trying to abolish the police entirely. Some departments are making a crazy choice this time, as pointed many times before, the majority of the people do understand that Democrats are not going to ban the police, only to reform it on specific places that show to be corrupt and are abusive in the extreme. For all other departments that think that doubling down in favor of the ones that do things like this: > **[Peaceful Protesters Tear-Gassed To Clear Way For Trump Church Photo-Op](https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867532070/trumps-unannounced-church-visit-angers-church-officials)** > > After U.S. Park Police and National Guard troops pushed demonstrators out of Lafayette Park, President Trump walked from the White House to St. John's Church where he posed for pictures with a Bible. is a winning formula, I only have to say: Stop resisting! Stop resisting! Stop resisting… ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/50 "2020-07-10T03:21:57Z")
I’m not a reactionary, I am a centrist Independent who sees a backlash. Democrats need to distance from the NFL, Kaepernick, etc. Don’t even mention Brees, DeSean Jackson, etc. in the fall, focus on police brutality, economy and virus. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/51 "2020-07-10T03:24:34Z")
This Kaepernick guy really bothers you, doesn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/52 "2020-07-10T03:30:59Z")
No. Police have the same right to vote in elections as anyone else. There are sensible rules about police and political advocacy. They should be followed. There are lots of people who would vote for Trump, seemingly regardless of the many things he has done which I might not care for. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/53 "2020-07-10T03:35:38Z")
As noted yet again: The backlash is against Trump for not pulling back, and stupidly deciding to get a real backlash from the assumed backlash. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/trump-s-show-of-force-fizzles-in-backlash-over-protest-crackdown](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/trump-s-show-of-force-fizzles-in-backlash-over-protest-crackdown) > Donald Trump faced a dwindling set of options to address nationwide unrest, after a backlash erupted over the government’s violent dispersal of peaceful protests outside the White House, plunging the president into more election-year turmoil. > > For Trump and his conservative backers, his photo op late Monday in front of historic St. John’s Episcopal Church with Bible in hand was a show of strength – a symbolic move meant to reassure Americans that he would restore law and order after several nights of chaos in major U.S. cities over the death of George Floyd. > > Instead, Trump’s display prompted a cascade of condemnation from religious leaders, Democrats and even some Republicans. Images of police using tear gas and flash-bang devices to clear protesters from Lafayette Square ahead of Trump’s walk to the church marred his presidency anew at a time when his public support was already slipping over his handling of the coronavirus pandemic. > > No Republican governors publicly accepted Trump’s invitation to send the military to crush riots and looting; Texas’s Greg Abbott said at a news conference that “Texans can take care of Texans.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/54 "2020-07-10T05:12:11Z")
what part of their oath are they not honoring? ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/55 "2020-07-10T07:42:45Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > I would not antagonize police officers That’s probably wise. Next time I’m tempted to think for myself about who to vote for, instead I’ll call my local precinct and ask them who I should vote for so as not to antagonize them. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/56 "2020-07-10T12:24:12Z")
You’re not seeing a backlash of any kind. What you’re seeing is the same kind of right-wing politics based on fear mongery and hysteria about OMG Liberals! we see in every election cycle. You are deeply lacking in perspective and that is why you react with such unjustified concern. Your views also appear to be completely incoherent. How do we talk about police brutality and distance ourselves from NFL and Kaepernick when that is what started the entire conversation we’re having in the first damn place? What does DeSean Jackson have to do with anything? Never mind the fall, who is even talking about the guy 24 hours after he said something stupid and racists and has since apologized. I bet I know who is talking about both of those; All that right wing media you watch to inform your “independent centrist” views… You still have not addressed the questions I asked you earlier about why you think LI has such a disproportionate influence on NY State, given how overwhelmingly blue the state was in 2016 and thus remains. Were you just repeating right-wing talking points you saw recently? Did you do your own research or were you simply frightened by some images of right wing supporters gathered in LI and took that to mean as backlash? Again I ask, what are you even talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/57 "2020-07-10T16:35:01Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > what part of their oath are they not honoring? > Oat​​​​​h of Office > > I (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm), that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution and laws of the State of Arizona, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, and defend them against enemies, foreign and domestic, and that I will faithfully and **impartially** discharge, the duties of a peace officer, to the best of my ability, so help me God. Highlighted part, at a minimum. ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/58 "2020-07-10T17:37:57Z")
I see a right wing backlash because the left lives in a bubble. Outside of LA, DC, NY and academia and so on, no one cares about Robin DeAngelo and the far far left stuff. Focus on police accountability, economy, etc. I have perspective. What I fear is that police unions vs. Democrats is not good. Police unions should not be politicized but both parties politicking police unions is not good. I feel that police unions should not even endorse candidates, police unions should not be political, but they go on Fox News and Newsmax and other programs. You can talk about police brutality and not mention Kaepernick or the NFL. Kap and NFL are not popular right now. DeSean Jackson’s issue is seen as hypocritical because few NFL players other than Julian Edelman discussed the issue, but when Drew Brees was previously against kneeling, because he felt that it “disrespected the flag”, the whole sports world shook. I am an Independent, I listen to right wing news and left wing news, news in general is not supposed to have a political side. I don’t live in echo chambers, it is not healthy for democracy. No, I know Long Island, I have family that lives on LI. LI is the old-school, Nixon hardhat suburban blue collar white conservative-leaning area. They are big on back the blue and other cultural issues. [https://davidpaulkuhn.com/](https://davidpaulkuhn.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/59 "2020-07-10T19:19:55Z")
Vice President Pence and the Philadelphia FOP had a rally. > **[Pence tells Philly police Trump administration ‘will always have your back’;...](https://www.inquirer.com/politics/live/mike-pennsylvania-pennsylvania-philadelphia-police-union-protests-lancaster-malvern-joe-biden-20200709.html)** > > The vice president's bus tour through eastern Pennsylvania included a fund-raiser at a farm, a discussion about the economy in Malvern, and a speech before Philadelphia police officers. Even in urban areas, police unions support Republicans. The big issue is that white Republican cops from suburbs work in urban areas…they can’t connect with the Democratic-leaning areas. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/60 "2020-07-10T19:37:46Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > > [@DrDeth](#): > > > > what part of their oath are they not honoring? > > > Oat​​​​​h of Office > > > > I (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm), that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution and laws of the State of Arizona, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, and defend them against enemies, foreign and domestic, and that I will faithfully and **impartially** discharge, the duties of a peace officer, to the best of my ability, so help me God. > > Highlighted part, at a minimum. The Police and other civil servants are allowed to vote and support their candidates. That is their absolute right under the Constitution. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787.md?page=4)