# Are you bothered that most American police unions will endorse Republicans swiftly? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 8, 2020, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787 "2020-07-08T22:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/101 "2020-07-13T20:55:11Z")
It is indefensible that she was harassed by people while grieving over the loss of her father. Those who used the opportunity to say anything but express their condolences for her loss were assholes. I don’t think you’ll find anybody here saying otherwise. I also don’t believe they represent the overwhelming majority of people on the left. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/102 "2020-07-13T20:59:13Z")
Who is telling you that there is no police presence in democratic areas? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/103 "2020-07-13T20:59:43Z")
Okay…while it’s tragic that her father died, and there are some obnoxious jerks online, there’s nothing in that story that says that the police department has said that Democrats are on their own, and that they’re going to only attempt to protect and serve Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/104 "2020-07-13T21:09:00Z")
You’ll be relieved to know that nationally, Police Unions support Democratic candidates significantly more than GOP candidates. Here are the [stats since 1994](https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/06/police-reform-new-dataset-shows-where-police-money-has-flowed-in-congress/). And while there may be a decrease in contribution towards Democratic Party politicians, it is by no means as overwhelming as you seem to think. In fact it may not be a statistically significant change from previous years. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/105 "2020-07-13T21:09:30Z")
Sure there can be, vote for democratic sheriffs, they have never been reported to not service Republican areas. Otherwise, what you imply is to tell all to kowtow to authoritarians that will do more harm then. IOW, that was a very telling thing, if there are republican leaning police departments that will not serve democratic areas, then what you said is more of a reason to vote the rascal Republicans out. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/106 "2020-07-13T21:11:35Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You’ll be relieved to know that nationally, Police Unions support Democratic candidates significantly more than GOP candidates. Here are the [stats since 1994](https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/06/police-reform-new-dataset-shows-where-police-money-has-flowed-in-congress/). And while there may be a decrease in contribution towards Democratic Party politicians, it is by no means as overwhelming as you seem to think. In fact it may not be a statistically significant change from previous years Have you taken into account that a lot of people are saying it in your analysis? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/107 "2020-07-13T21:15:24Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Have you taken into account that a lot of people are saying it in your analysis? You mean the ones that live in Long Island? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/108 "2020-07-13T21:22:10Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > This is why most police officers and unions are voting GOP this year Individual donations from police seem pretty democratically distributed: > Like PAC money, contributions from individual police officers have gone to politicians on both sides of the aisle, representing an array of politics. Among the top recipients in 2020 are President [Donald Trump](https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate?id=N00023864), Vice President [Joe Biden](https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate?id=N00001669), Sen. [Kamala Harris](https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summary?cid=N00036915) (D-Calif.) and Sen. [Bernie Sanders](https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summary?cid=N00000528) (I-Vt.), all of whom had 2020 presidential bids, according to itemized donations above $200 reported to the FEC. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/109 "2020-07-14T00:09:03Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > This is why most police officers and unions are voting GOP this year----police and military should not be political whatsoever, however they are. Police and military also shouldn’t be used to attack innocent civilians and certainly not to murder them in the streets with impunity, which is why so many people are voting Democratic this year. I know this because a lot of people are saying it. Are you? ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/110 "2020-07-14T00:09:41Z")
No one is telling me that, what I think is going to happen is that you will see less police presence in democratic areas. Cops are not going to risk themselves, but those communities will have to decide what type of public safety do they want. ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/111 "2020-07-14T00:39:38Z")
That’s true. Yes, I am saying that. People also should not be smearing all police/military like that and should advocate that the police/military be politically neutral. Why I started the thread is because I am warning people here that police unions will endorse the GOP, like the Philadelphia Fraternal Order of Police’s John McNesby. > **[Pence tells Philly police Trump administration ‘will always have your back’;...](https://www.inquirer.com/politics/live/mike-pennsylvania-pennsylvania-philadelphia-police-union-protests-lancaster-malvern-joe-biden-20200709.html)** > > The vice president's bus tour through eastern Pennsylvania included a fund-raiser at a farm, a discussion about the economy in Malvern, and a speech before Philadelphia police officers. > **[Philly D.A. Krasner, Proud Boys both slam police union president about party...](https://www.phillyvoice.com/philly-police-union-fop-proud-boys-krasner-mcnesby-mike-pence-party/)** > > John McNesby, president of Philadelphia's police union, was criticized by both District Attorney Larry Krasner and the Proud Boys following last week's visit to FOP headquarters by Vice President Mike Pence. The Proud Boys, who attended an FOP lodge... Police unions should not be involved with white supremacist groups like Proud Boys, that makes police unions look worse than they are already. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/112 "2020-07-14T00:55:09Z")
How could that happen? For example, I live in a suburb of San Francisco. ALL areas around here are “Democratic areas”. The small city I live in has its own police force, and we are a very Democratic city, like all the ones around us. How would our city’s police force avoid the Democratic areas? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/113 "2020-07-14T01:03:29Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > That’s true. Yes, I am saying that. > > People also should not be smearing all police/military like that and should advocate that the police/military be politically neutral. Stating that the police (and to a much lesser extent the military) attack innocent people in the street is an observation of things that are happening or have recently happened, not a smear. A “smear” would be the insinuation that the police will refuse to do their jobs and will willingly endanger innocent people in the process purely for political reasons. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/114 "2020-07-14T01:43:45Z")
I think you have a fundamental lack of understanding of economics and job markets. Police will work where they get paid. If they are paid to work in San Francisco or New York, regardless of how blue those metropolitan areas are, that is where they will work. It’s completely wrong headed to believe otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/115 "2020-07-14T03:25:52Z")
My thought exactly. In New York City, what does he think is going to happen? Cops pretty much have to work in the area around their precinct - it’s not like they can all decide to patrol Staten Island every day because they hate Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/116 "2020-07-14T03:32:46Z")
Unions have the absolute right under the Constitution to endorse whoever they choose, and in fact, most unions have endorsed Biden. And that second link - doesnt say **at all** what you think it says, just the exact opposite _“We have recently been informed that members of the Proud Boys were present outside FOP headquarters this week following a visit by the vice president,” McNesby said. “If we were aware of their presence, we would have escorted them off our property. At no time were these individuals allowed inside of our building. Philadelphia police officers, FOP leadership and members condemn their hateful and discriminatory speech in any form.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/117 "2020-07-14T04:43:17Z")
The Proud Boys disagree: [https://twitter.com/philadelphiapb/status/1282068119842889729](https://twitter.com/philadelphiapb/status/1282068119842889729) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/118 "2020-07-14T06:00:22Z")
You believe those assholes? On a tweet? And even so, how does that disprove that the Police said? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/119 "2020-07-14T12:39:27Z")
**@Yankees_1996_Champs** : Have you read any of the arguments and cites provided to you that debunk your claims or are people generally wasting their time, swiftly? ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787/120 "2020-07-14T16:21:13Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > **My thought exactly. In New York City, what does he think is going to happen? Cops pretty much have to work in the area around their precinct - it’s not like they can all decide to patrol Staten Island every day because they hate Democrats.** They are going to do that from now on, Giuliani and Kerik and the police unions recommend that they do; they are going to patrol Republican areas only because they feel the Democratic areas are too antipolice. Yes, police reform, but when you threaten cops, etc. that becomes a problem. How will the Black Lives Matter movement be taken seriously when you have agitators causing problems for the movement? What this thread is about is that most police unions will vote heavily Republican and probably for a generation. > **[Trump hoping to get backing of police unions as law enforcement concerns...](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-police-unions-law-enforcement-concerns-biden)** > > Donald Trump is hoping to use his “law and order” persona to get the endorsement of the nation’s largest police unions. > **[Police groups break with Biden](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/04/police-groups-joe-biden-300222)** > > “Police are shaking their heads because he used to be a stand-up guy who backed law enforcement,” one top official said. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-bothered-that-most-american-police-unions-will-endorse-republicans-swiftly/914787.md?page=7)