# Are you feeling enough shame and guilt, you bad women? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2014, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783 "2014-06-27T15:36:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/41 "2014-06-27T20:09:13Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Will \*none \*of you kind ladies volunteer to get the poor guy laid so he can lighten up a little? šŸ˜‰ Sorry, all of the woman I know wonā€™t have sex with a man whose anti-abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/42 "2014-06-27T20:13:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Donā€™t look at me-Iā€™m usually a sub. Things I never wanted to knowā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/43 "2014-06-27T20:27:28Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > My husband was completely exhausted from the whole thing and all he did was watch. Having observed the birth of my two I can testify to it being an exhausting experience. Iā€™ve also held hands on two occasions with women undergoing the process of aborting a pregnancy and that was no walk in the park, either. Hopefully it will always be an available option. ETA: ā€œjust watchedā€? I took Lamaze classes, practiced, coached, etc. It was a drop in the bucket, but it wasnā€™t easy. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/44 "2014-06-27T20:29:22Z")
I think you missed his best quote: > [@If abortion is made illegal again, what should be the punishment for women having one?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-abortion-is-made-illegal-again-what-should-be-the-punishment-for-women-having-one/690633/37): > > I agree with **Weeping Wyvern**. > > In an ideal world, Iā€™d like to see (where possible) the correctional system to shift from emphasizing forced labor instead of incarceration, so maybe eventually a couple of yearsā€™ hard labour. Disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/45 "2014-06-27T20:31:04Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > What about other euphemisms? Like vajayjay? > > I like '_the Golden Palace of the Himalayasā€™_. HAW HAW HAW. Jack Chick himself would be proud. > [@JackieLikesVariety](#): > > a damn fine pitting, I applaud Faithfool. > > but the hell with the cookie talk: cheese and crackers for all! \< blush \> Awww, thanks! And Iā€™d like a little cheese and crackers with his whine. Serve it up! > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Beer and wings OK too? Thatā€™d work too. Us lady folk will hop to the preparations. And **Fallen** , not only are those two damn fine posts, but I heartily agree. If men could get pregnant, having an abortion would be a right codified by the constitution, available in a vending machine and handed down by God via the Ten Commandments. Yes siree, I have no doubt. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/46 "2014-06-27T20:33:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Donā€™t look at me-Iā€™m usually a sub. We call them hoagies around here. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/47 "2014-06-27T20:33:44Z")
Heā€™s not the first conservative lately to suggest that giving women the vote was a bad idea. He wonā€™t be the last, either. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/48 "2014-06-27T20:37:41Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > We call them hoagies around here. Just call me Dagwood. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/49 "2014-06-27T20:41:20Z")
> [@Fallen](#): > > No woman is obligated to keep and raise a child; there is psychological damage any way you slice it (you feel bad for having gotten an abortion generally; you feel bad for giving up a child you cannot properly raise or do not want, and hope that youā€™re doing the right thing). I donā€™t think the majority of women feel bad about having gotten an abortion. Maybe about having become pregnant when they didnā€™t want to, but not about the abortion itself. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/50 "2014-06-27T20:41:36Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Men like that love fetuses ā€“ innocent creatures who canā€™t talk back or offer an opinion they dislike. Once half the fetuses leave the womb, grow up and turn into women . . . not so much. I just love it when such men show up and start writing about the ā€œinconvenienceā€ and ā€œdiscomfortā€ of pregnancy. My last birth was eight and a half pounds of baby and over twelve hours of incredibly difficult labor. My husband was completely exhausted from the whole thing and all he did was watch. Yesssss. Thatā€™s why I found **Brickerā€™s** heartwarming anecdote so hollow. Not because it wasnā€™t wonderful, but because itā€™s so frigging rare. Just how many people would step up and take care of those babies _after_ they are here. Surely, even in Jesusā€™ time, such things as abortions happened. Yet it seemed to be a focus of His ministry to help those in need that weā€™re already alive, facing hardships, etc. Nothing about harassing (like that really happens, amirite?) women seeking to terminate their pregnancies for the ā€œgreater common good.ā€ Go donate your time, money and passion to the born. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Sorry, all of the woman I know wonā€™t have sex with a man whose anti-abortion. Excellent policy. > [@drewtwo99](#): > > I think you missed his best quote: > > Disgusting. Damn. Dude is mental, at the very least. Thanks for adding that to the pile. Apparently, the compendium wouldnā€™t be complete without him making a fool out of himself on _every_ subject. And sadly, I do not think fearless internet protector of uterusā€™ holiness, Hector, isnā€™t going to show up to this gathering in his honor. Which is a, let me thinkā€¦ What word am I looking for? Anyone?? Oh, wait, I think Iā€™ve got itā€¦ A complete and total fricking SHAME. Whoā€™d a thunk it? Heā€™s closer to the women he despises than he realizes. Poor little man. ā˜¹ ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/51 "2014-06-27T20:43:41Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Heā€™s not the first conservative lately to suggest that giving women the vote was a bad idea. He wonā€™t be the last, either. But theyā€™re fun to take to the dance! Who else would we get to amuse ourselves over at the punch bowl, except the wallflowers? ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/52 "2014-06-27T20:50:12Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Sorry, all of the woman I know wonā€™t have sex with a man whose anti-abortion. When youā€™re making far more sense then **Hector** is . . . oy vey. Seriously. That is the solution here. Donā€™t have sex with someone who does not agree with you on abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/53 "2014-06-27T22:34:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I donā€™t think he wantā€™s to restrict _all_ womenā€™s right to voteā€¦just the educated ones. More accurately, just the ones who disagree with him. I endorse this pitting myself. Very well done. And Iā€™m very pro-choice, ladiesā€¦šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/54 "2014-06-28T00:12:04Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > And Iā€™m very pro-choice, ladiesā€¦šŸ˜‰ And heā€™s a great kisser. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/55 "2014-06-28T00:25:09Z")
:hesitantly raises hand: Umā€¦is there something inherently disgusting about supporting labor over incarceration for offenses against society? Asking for a friend. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/56 "2014-06-28T01:16:36Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > And heā€™s a great kisser. šŸ˜ƒ Aww, thanks:o You werenā€™t so bad yourself. I think Ed Zottiā€™s still surprised by my grabbing his crotch. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/57 "2014-06-28T03:17:40Z")
> [@andros](#): > > :hesitantly raises hand: > > Umā€¦is there something inherently disgusting about supporting labor over incarceration for offenses against society? > > Asking for a friend. See Kim Jong-un. I have nothing against those that are incarcerated to provide productive work. Provided that it is something reasonable and produces a product. Digging ditches and filling them in againā€¦ not so much. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/58 "2014-06-28T03:50:48Z")
> [@andros](#): > > :hesitantly raises hand: > > Umā€¦is there something inherently disgusting about supporting labor over incarceration for offenses against society? > > Asking for a friend. Well, if the so-called ā€œoffense against societyā€ is refusing to go through labor, yeah, there is. šŸ˜› ETA: In which case, BTW, incarceration is ALSO inherently disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/59 "2014-06-28T08:40:17Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Here, for example, is the emphatically pro-life _Christianity Today_ shrugging off the death of two children with the headline, ā€œ[Parents Sentenced to Prison for Belief in Healing Power of Prayer](http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2014/february/parents-sentenced-to-prison-for-belief-prayer-faith-healing.html)ā€ with the subhead ā€œCouple who broke probation with death of second son given one of harshest punishments for faith healing.ā€ This couple killed two of their children through neglect, by praying for them instead of seeking medical treatment. But to _CT_, the cruel murder of these \*born \*children isnā€™t what upsets them - the outrage is the ā€˜harsh punishmentā€™ of these parents for practicing their faith. > > The children donā€™t matter; itā€™s all about the parents. And since these parents are devoted Christianists, the death of the [del]props[/del] kids is the lesser concern. There is no outrage expressed in this story over the ā€˜harsh punishmentā€™. The point of the story is that the sentence was one of the harshest ones laid down for such things. The only outrage is the one invented in your head. Heck, Christianity Today is one of the most moderate publications in the Evangelical realm & not one given to dismissing religious extremism. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/60 "2014-06-28T09:07:16Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Heck, Christianity Today is one of the most moderate publications in the Evangelical realm & not one given to dismissing religious extremism. Then they need to fire the editor who wrote the headline. Itā€™s inflammatory _and_ inaccurate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783.md?page=4)