# Are you feeling enough shame and guilt, you bad women? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2014, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783 "2014-06-27T15:36:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/101 "2014-06-29T21:32:08Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Let me ask directly: Why do you embarrass yourself with the bald faced lie that the pro-life don’t support infants and children? Is it a lie that the repubs continue to slash spending in wellfare programs? Like say 40 billion in food stamps? ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/102 "2014-06-29T21:36:27Z")
I also noticed that the dumbass ain’t brave enough to actually defend himself in the pit where he’d (normally – there’s always one jackhole, right?) have no one to help him. I’m sure there’s more like him, but thank the heavens (notice no sane conservative is in here licking his nuts) they’re a vanishing breed. Only dinosaurs and those consigned to watching history make a mockery out of them are left. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/103 "2014-06-29T21:38:35Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > You want less abortions? _Vote democrat!_ _hastily dons swastika armband_ Fewer. OBEY THE INSTRUCTIONS ! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/104 "2014-06-29T21:46:56Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > _hastily dons swastika armband_ > Fewer. OBEY THE INSTRUCTIONS ! 🙂 No, less abortions. Like, with the fetus half-dangling out of the vagina. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/105 "2014-06-29T21:53:20Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Yeah, yeah, another pitting of a pro-life poster based entirely on quoting his pro-life positions. Nothing in the pitting even so much as acknowledging the belief that a fetus is a living human being. Of course, by recognizing such a thing, your entire position goes to shit, so naturally you dodge it. Nonsense. What matters is that it’s not a person, not how human it is; an appendix is human. Not that they actually believe or care that a fetus is a “human being”; they care about oppressing, tormenting and killing women. > [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > What I came here to ask is why do y’all continue to repeat the lie that anti-abortion protesters don’t care for the the children once they’re born? You know full well there is no shortage of faith-based womens shelters and adoption-as-alternative programs. It’s not a lie. They at best don’t care about the children they force into the world, and often abuse them given the chance. And of course there’s a shortage of shelters and and adoptive homes. And “faith-based” facilities for women and children have a long history of being about abusing, raping, enslaving and tormenting the women, and molesting, abusing and murdering the kids then dumping them in a pit or unmarked grave. You might as well give the KKK custody of a bunch of black people, although the KKK would likely have more scruples than “pro-life” sadists. > [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Let me ask directly: Why do you embarrass yourself with the bald faced lie that the pro-life don’t support infants and children? They don’t. They are women hating bigoted monsters, whose only concern about women is to abuse and kill them. And at best only look at children as weapons to use against their mothers, when they aren’t outright molesting or killing the kids themselves. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/106 "2014-06-29T22:00:33Z")
**Hector St. Clare** is perfectly welcome to avoid having an abortion. So is my elderly male neighbor with all the anti-abortion and anti-funding the damned kindergarten signs on his front lawn. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/107 "2014-06-29T22:09:37Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Not that they actually believe or care that a fetus is a “human being”; they care about oppressing, tormenting and killing women. Stand down, everyone. The voice of reason has arrived. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/108 "2014-06-29T22:58:59Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Stand down, everyone. The voice of reason has arrived. The voice of honesty. I’m not going to pretend to respect them or that I believe that they are about saving “the unborn” when everything they do disproves it. They hate women, their motivation is to oppress, torment and kill women; their activities in the US and all over the world prove it. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/109 "2014-06-29T23:28:35Z")
Frankly, I think anti-abortionists, so called pro-life really never had the opportunity to, or can’t think for themselves. I see them as “It was good enough for daddy, then it’s good enough for me” with out an original idea in their head. Some, sure, are strait up misogynists. Perhaps learned, perhaps a function of their environment, but can’t think for themselves, or certainly won’t go against the flow for where they live. Or quite simply, they are broken. For what reason, I don’t know. For the reasons stated above, I try to give them compassion and the benefit of the doubt. But because of people like Hector, it’s getting harder and harder to do. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/110 "2014-06-30T00:07:39Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Because when it comes to political parties in the USA,… the party’s stance of “every child must be saved” and “oh, you’re born? Well, you’re on your own!”…_Vote democrat!_ A perfect display of what irks me so much about this. _No one_ mentioned Republicans. No one is even talking about politics or political parties _at all_ until the pro-choice side wants to bring it up. Then they tag the protesters with everything the Republican party has ever stood for. Clinic protesters make up a very small percentage of the Republican voter base. People who care about child welfare also make up a small percentage of the Republican voter base. Now you want to point out the logic that says they aren’t the same people? Is there some mathematical law that demands issue independence from these people? Are you under the impression that if 99% of Republicans are against child welfare programs that 99% of abortion clinic protesters must be against it, too? The thing is, you _know better_. Well, maybe not you, but smart people do. They know it’s logically flawed to say “Let me tell you about protesters. Republicans think…” ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/111 "2014-06-30T00:10:22Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Frankly, I think anti-abortionists, so called pro-life really never had the opportunity to, or can’t think for themselves. Right, not that they’ve thought for themselves and said “A fetus is a living human being and deserves to be spoken for.” Not that, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/112 "2014-06-30T00:11:58Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > their motivation is to… kill women Sure, if by “they,” you mean approximately half of those having abortions. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/113 "2014-06-30T00:15:38Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Frankly, I think anti-abortionists, so called pro-life really never had the opportunity to, or can’t think for themselves. I don’t think that’s accurate, though I know a lot of people who are pro-life for the same reason they embrace the rest of the Republican platform: a combination of the just world hypothesis and good luck. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/114 "2014-06-30T00:19:31Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Clinic protesters make up a very small percentage of the Republican voter base. **People who care about child welfare also make up a small percentage of the Republican voter base**. I like how this is phrased. So very unambiguous. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/115 "2014-06-30T00:25:52Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I don’t think that’s accurate, though I know a lot of people who are pro-life for the same reason they embrace the rest of the Republican platform: a combination of the just world hypothesis and good luck. But do you also see the problem with not arguing about the issue and instead arguing about the people? That, instead of actually talking about thee issue of abortion, any discussion whatsoever devolves into **Der Trihs** type mind numbing stupidity, and how that could be a bad thing? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/116 "2014-06-30T00:37:42Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Right, not that they’ve thought for themselves and said “A fetus is a living human being and deserves to be spoken for.” Not that, of course. Right. They ignore science. Was this idea that a fetus is a person handed down to you, or have you done any investigation on your own? ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/117 "2014-06-30T00:37:52Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Clinic protesters make up a very small percentage of the Republican voter base. …" > [@](#): > > PRINCETON, NJ – As the 2012 Republican presidential contenders begin to hone their campaign messages and court social-issues voters, a Gallup analysis reveals the striking homogeneity of rank-and-file Republicans on abortion. **Roughly two-thirds of Republicans** across most major gender, age, educational, and income lines describe themselves as “pro-life,” while about a quarter call themselves “pro-choice.” [Link](http://www.gallup.com/poll/147941/Republicans-Unified-Democrats-Abortion.aspx) Now what were you saying again. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/118 "2014-06-30T00:42:36Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > But do you also see the problem with not arguing about the issue and instead arguing about the people? That, instead of actually talking about thee issue of abortion, any discussion whatsoever devolves into **Der Trihs** type mind numbing stupidity, and how that could be a bad thing? If someone wants to talk with me about their reasons for being pro-life and my reasons for being pro-choice, they can. When someone wants to say that being pro-choice means I shouldn’t get the vote, I don’t need to talk about being pro-life or pro-choice with them. Someone who doesn’t want me to vote is not interested in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/119 "2014-06-30T00:58:24Z")
> [@Chessic Sense](#): > > Clinic protesters make up a very small percentage of the Republican voter base. \*\*People who care about child welfare also make up a small percentage of the Republican voter base. \*\* > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > I like how this is phrased. So very unambiguous. I’m guessing that the vast majority of clinic protesters are republican. The others, non affiliated. Bet you’re not gonna find too many democrats. I also wouldn’t be to proud to point out that “People that care about child welfare make up a small percentage of the republican base”. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783/120 "2014-06-30T01:20:26Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > If someone wants to talk with me about their reasons for being pro-life and my reasons for being pro-choice, they can. When someone wants to say that being pro-choice means I shouldn’t get the vote, I don’t need to talk about being pro-life or pro-choice with them. Someone who doesn’t want me to vote is not interested in my opinion. Which wasn’t even close to the point I was making. Yes, there are people on both sides of the issue with which it is a complete waste of time to try and discuss it with. But it harms any attempt to discuss the issue when people like **enipla** and **Der Trihs** lead the way with their idiotic pronouncements about everyone who disagrees with them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-feeling-enough-shame-and-guilt-you-bad-women/691783.md?page=7)