# Are you sure you know who God is? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 13, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422 "2013-07-13T20:24:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Okieshowedem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/okieshowedem/32/7278_2.png) [@Okieshowedem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okieshowedem)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/81 "2013-07-16T19:11:06Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > Divine even. > > If god is a woman, that would make _The Creation of Adam_ on the ceiling of Sistine Chapel a bit different. It would make you wonder what Adam is really reaching out for. * * * You really should check out other paintings in the Sistine Chapel it has Satan as female. They are painted over. Satan is a FEMALE spirit being much more deadly than an woman, woman came from man, out of Adam. Satan was created as the one to teach the truth. Then being shown the great place that mankind that would have in creation if he would repent and believe the message and convert to being righteousness he could have in the wonderful creation she rebelled. Wanting to be something she was not created to be, like most being she got pissed. Look how subtle she would be if she can cause the whole world to believe she is the Creator. After all that is what the prophets said. Most people never read the Scriptures they let the lying preacher boys tell them what they say. How sad. Here in the book of Nachumyah we can read about the God of this world that is written about in 2 Cor.4:4 in chapter 3: 4-6 G4All because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the seductive harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts; who sells nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts. 5 Behold, I am against you, says Yahweh of hosts: and I will lift your skirts over your face, I will show the nations your nakedness, and the kingdoms your shame. 6 I will throw abominable filth upon you, make you vile, and make you a spectacle to stare at. Now we can believe ALL that the prophets and apostles have spoken or we too can be FOOLS like the Messiah said we were in Luke 24:25 if we don’t believe. 2 Cor.4: 4 1For the gods (elohim) of this world (led by Satan) have blinded the minds of those who do not believe, so that the light of the message of the glory of the Messiah, Who is the image of Yahweh, should not shine unto them. Luke 24: 25 Then He said to them: O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Okie ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/82 "2013-07-16T19:15:13Z")
> [@Okieshowedem](#): > > You really should check out other paintings in the Sistine Chapel it has Satan as female. They are painted over. Then how the hell can we check them out? What is your source for this “fact”? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/83 "2013-07-16T19:22:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Then how the hell can we check them out? What is your source for this “fact”? you have to lift the paint - ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/84 "2013-07-16T19:32:47Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > It’s not in Hesiod, or even Homer. But the entire Trojan War was part of a complicated scheme on her part to depose the Great Rapist from his throne; the entire deal did not come to fruition until September 22nd, 19 BCE. Dude, please. Get real here. Did Athena castrate Zeus? If yes, what is the source of the story? If no, please stop telling the story! You aren’t an oracle! (And, if you are an oracle, please reference this when you quote this story!) ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/85 "2013-07-16T19:34:57Z")
> [@Okieshowedem](#): > > You really should check out other paintings in the Sistine Chapel it has Satan as female. They are painted over. Cite please. > [@](#): > > Satan is a FEMALE spirit being much more deadly than an woman, woman came from man, out of Adam. So both god and satan are female? > [@](#): > > Satan was created as the one to teach the truth. Then being shown the great place that mankind that would have in creation if he would repent and believe the message and convert to being righteousness he could have in the wonderful creation she rebelled. Wanting to be something she was not created to be, like most being she got pissed. Actually Satan in Christian mythology is derived from meaning of the name for the angel Lucifer (morning star), taken from [Isaiah 14:12-18](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2014:12-18&version=NIV). > [@](#): > > Look how subtle she would be if she can cause the whole world to believe she is the Creator. > After all that is what the prophets said. Which prophets? > [@](#): > > Most people never read the Scriptures they let the lying preacher boys tell them what they say. > How sad. Indeed, it’s sad when people assert knowledge when they haven’t read the relevant scriptures. > [@](#): > > Luke 24: 25 Then He said to them: O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! [Deuteronomy 17:2-5](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=deuteronomy%2017:2-5&version=NIV). You know what you are required to do, get to it. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/86 "2013-07-16T19:56:49Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > [Deuteronomy 17:2-5](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=deuteronomy%2017:2-5&version=NIV). You know what you are required to do, get to it. If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the Lord gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the Lord your God in violation of his covenant, 3 and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars in the sky, 4 and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. **If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel** , 5 take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death.` Ooh, if it’s done _in Israel_! I’m off the hook then.. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/87 "2013-07-16T20:01:19Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Dude, please. Get real here. Did Athena castrate Zeus? If yes, what is the source of the story? If no, please stop telling the story! You aren’t an oracle! (And, if you are an oracle, please reference this when you quote this story!) The date I referred to in the post you just quoted was the day after Vergil died. This was not an accident. ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/88 "2013-07-16T20:02:36Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Ooh, if it’s done _in Israel_! I’m off the hook then.. Huh, missed that part. I guess we’re ok. [2 Chronicles 15:12-13](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Chronicles%2015:12-13&version=NASB) Oh wait, no we’re not. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/89 "2013-07-16T20:06:33Z")
Yes, it’s a nonexistent FICTIONAL fabrication created by one group of humans to exert mind control over particularly gullible or otherwise clueless group of humans ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/90 "2013-07-16T20:16:08Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > Huh, missed that part. I guess we’re ok. > > [2 Chronicles 15:12-13](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Chronicles%2015:12-13&version=NASB) > Oh wait, no we’re not. Oh well. > [@](#): > > and whoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel should be put to death Wellll… I _did_ seek him, he just wasn’t anywhere to be found. But I did seek. Guess I’m okay, again. ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/91 "2013-07-16T20:16:43Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Wellll… I _did_ seek him, he just wasn’t anywhere to be found. > But I did seek. > Guess I’m okay, again. Did you look behind the couch? ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/92 "2013-07-16T20:27:49Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > Did you look behind the couch? That’s where all the socks go… Ergo… “god” is a sock! Ban the sock! ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/93 "2013-07-16T20:50:34Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > That’s where all the socks go… Ergo… > > “god” is a sock! > > Ban the sock! well, hesheit does try to go by many names… ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/94 "2013-07-16T21:14:12Z")
> [@yanceylebeef](#): > > To paraphrase someone much smarter than myself…when religion was in charge, it ruled with an iron fist. Burning, torturing and killing any and all who spoke against it. > > Now a few words are thrown around, and a certain segment of the religious community get their knickers in a twist. > > If your religion/faith/god can’t take the criticism aimed at it, you should probably look a little harder at it’s foundation. But I don’t see that happening anytime soon. Good luck. You believe that others acting bad justifies your acting bad. No it doesn’t. There is no justification for acting bad to others. I don’t have any religion. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/95 "2013-07-16T21:16:55Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > The date I referred to in the post you just quoted was the day after Vergil died. This was not an accident. Phooey. Bad mythologer. Bad. No ambrosia. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/96 "2013-07-16T21:23:48Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Phooey. Bad mythologer. Bad. No ambrosia. I don’t need your approval, son. You’re not Athena. Anyway, no good ever comes of mortals eating ambrosia. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/97 "2013-07-17T02:49:46Z")
Heh. You don’t need my disapproval, either, but you’ve got it. And, to be sure, I’m not Athena… But you might want to give just a little consideration to the very remote abstract possibility that I might be Hermes… (I can’t be Dionysus: I’m sober…) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/98 "2013-07-17T03:04:00Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Heh. You don’t need my disapproval, either, but you’ve got it. And, to be sure, I’m not Athena… But you might want to give just a little consideration to the very remote abstract possibility that I might be Hermes… > > (I can’t be Dionysus: I’m sober…) prove you’re sober - recite the alphabet backwards while standing on one leg walking a straight line! ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/99 "2013-07-17T05:17:38Z")
Hermes could do it! ETA: It wouldn’t be our alphabet, mind you… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422/100 "2013-07-17T11:41:39Z")
> [@Longshanks](#): > > Dog is god. I think you’ve got that backwards. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-sure-you-know-who-god-is/663422.md?page=6)