# Are you Team Trayvon or Team Zimmerman? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881 "2012-03-26T21:27:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/361 "2012-03-28T23:15:24Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Okay, who else is watching ABC news right now? They just showed footage of Zimmerman at the PD station right after the shooting. > > Am I the only one who saw absolutely no evidence of injuries on his head and face? Not a speck of blood any where that I could tell. His nose looked unscathed. The man didn’t even look like he’d been in a heated argument, let alone a serious fight. > > I swear, anyone who sees this video and can still maintain this man was beaten by Martin is a goddamn idiot. The man needs to be locked up at this point for lying. Here’s the link. [http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/trayvon-martin-case-video-zimmerman-16024564](http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/trayvon-martin-case-video-zimmerman-16024564) And you’re right. He doesn’t look like he has a mark on him. Moreover we get a clear view of the back of his shaved head which Trayvon allegedly slammed into the pavement repeatedly and which supposedly had scratches and there’s nothing there. No wonder he wasn’t taken to the hospital and no wonder the initial police report didn’t mention any injuries. If he actually did have a bloody nose and maybe a scratch or two they must have been incredibly minor and not remotely consistent with his claim that Martin was on top of him for nearly a minute repeatedly punching him in the face and smashing his head on the concrete pavement. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/362 "2012-03-28T23:19:36Z")
> [@colonial](#): > > Letting the system do its thing? > > Are you shitting me? > > If the system had been left to “do its own thing” then the case would now be closed, right? > > It was only public outrage over a dysfunctional system which led to the case being properly > and thoroughly investigated. What is your evidence for that proposition? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/363 "2012-03-28T23:23:53Z")
Here’s [another one](http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475) of what seems to be raw footage—no intro or audio. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/364 "2012-03-28T23:24:47Z")
I will say this, Z doesn’t look as big as his mug shot would lead us to believe. A fight between him and Martin wouldnt necessarily be mismatched. That said, if he’s expecting us to believe he was in a fight serious enough to shoot his opponent to death, I’m gonna need to see some receipts. Some blood. Some scratches. Some bruises. Some black eyes. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/365 "2012-03-28T23:29:29Z")
It’s not exactly high-def video, but I don’t see any visible marks on his head or face either, in that footage. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/366 "2012-03-28T23:33:51Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Here’s the link. > > [http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/trayvon-martin-case-video-zimmerman-16024564](http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/trayvon-martin-case-video-zimmerman-16024564) > > And you’re right. He doesn’t look like he has a mark on him. Moreover we get a clear view of the back of his shaved head which Trayvon allegedly slammed into the pavement repeatedly and which supposedly had scratches and there’s nothing there. > > No wonder he wasn’t taken to the hospital and no wonder the initial police report didn’t mention any injuries. > > If he actually did have a bloody nose and maybe a scratch or two they must have been incredibly minor and not remotely consistent with his claim that Martin was on top of him for nearly a minute repeatedly punching him in the face and smashing his head on the concrete pavement. Thanx for the link. Zimmerman is clearly The Man Of Steel – I slipped and broke my nose last year and it took a couple of days just to clean the blood stains out of my apartment – including washing the wall. My clothes? Into the dumpster. As far as medical records, I still have all the x-rays showing a deviated septum from the fall and ensuing break as well a strong recommendation from an ENT to have surgery ASAP as my breathing is compromised. Wish I would have tangled with Trayvon instead. The bullshit keeps piling high. What will the Zimmerman apologists think of next? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/367 "2012-03-28T23:35:58Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > I’m leaning towards Trayvon. Even if Zimmerman’s story is completely true and his actions were legal, he still made a series of stupid decisions that ended in a boy’s death that was entirely preventable. > > But really I’m on team “thorough investigation”. Initial reports made it seem like the police weren’t taking the incident at all seriously. Now that it seems they might be, I’m less outraged. I’m on Team Davinci. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/368 "2012-03-28T23:41:31Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > It’s not exactly high-def video, but I don’t see any visible marks on his head or face either, in that footage. As I wrote b4, **Vinyl** – a broken nose is a bloody affair. Trust me on that; not only from personal experience but from being a boxing fan and seeing many a nose literally explode from taking a punch. But beyond that (for the sake of argument, let’s say the EMTs cleaned the wounds) how come there’s not a spot of blood on his clothes? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/369 "2012-03-28T23:50:12Z")
Yeah. No blood at all. Neither his own nor Martin’s from the look of it. He should have at least some splatter from the kid if he was shot on top of him. And yet we don’t even have that much. Even his shirt still looks tucked into his jeans. WTF? Seriously, how many more revelations need to come out before we lock this man up? Now I know why that detective is covering his ass. He knew this footage was going to be released and was distancing himself from the bullshittery in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/370 "2012-03-28T23:57:32Z")
Just to play Devil’s advocate here, I’ve broken a guy’s nose when we were wrestling, and there was no blood to speak of. So it’s not a done deal that a blood gusher is necessary. That said, I don’t see the damage on the back of his head. He may have a scratch we can’t see, but by necessity it’s pretty minor. It’s certainly looking like he fared remarkably well for a guy who thought he was in danger of serious injury in that fight. But I’m on team Martin, so I’m sure Rand Rover will be by to tell me I’m hallucinating. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/371 "2012-03-28T23:58:11Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > You’re not in a position to assume anything about me, Lol, I guess that means you do not have 10 toes. And dropped out of elementary school. > [@](#): > > except that I hope that life brings you everything you deserve. Thank you!! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/372 "2012-03-28T23:59:18Z")
None on the front, either. No blood from a point-blank shot from a nine millimeter weapon. I’m going to go way out on a limb here and suggest that isn’t consistent with plugging a big ass hole into somebody sitting on top of you. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/373 "2012-03-28T23:59:44Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > As I wrote b4, **Vinyl** – a broken nose is a bloody affair. Trust me on that; not only from personal experience but from being a boxing fan and seeing many a nose literally explode from taking a punch. > > But beyond that (for the sake of argument, let’s say the EMTs cleaned the wounds) how come there’s not a spot of blood on his clothes? If an EMT had treated his nose, wouldn’t they also have put some sort of splint on the nose? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/374 "2012-03-29T00:00:43Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Skittles and iced tea. Martin had no reason to suddenly turn violent, and we know that Zimmerman was stewing for a confrontation based on his comments to the 911 operator. Well why do you discount Zimmerman’s story and the reported corroborating injuries and witness statement? And why do you assume that Martin had no reason to suddenly turn violent? People suddenly turn violent all the time in this country. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/375 "2012-03-29T00:03:23Z")
**Brazzy**? About those corroborating injuries? Are you keeping up? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/376 "2012-03-29T00:05:32Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > **Brazzy**? About those corroborating injuries? Are you keeping up? You have to grade him on a curve, he’s really, really fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/377 "2012-03-29T00:06:24Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Well why do you discount Zimmerman’s story and the reported corroborating injuries and witness statement? . Because its fishy on its face. Look at the video we’ve been talking about. Does this look like a man whose head was pounded against concrete to you? Be honest. ---
**Author:** ![colonial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/34f0e0/32.png) [@colonial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colonial)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/378 "2012-03-29T00:08:57Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > What is your evidence for that proposition? It’s been so all over the news that the DA declined to make a case out of it that I should not have to look for a cite for you. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/379 "2012-03-29T00:10:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > **Brazzy**? About those corroborating injuries? Are you keeping up? What’s the saying, “Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?” ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/380 "2012-03-29T00:13:15Z")
Wow. Just watched the video and… wow. No way was Zimmerman beaten up, no way did he get his head repeatedly smashed into the pavement, and no way in hell did he shoot that kid while said kid was planted on top of him. That’s quite the jaunty stroll he has there, isn’t it? As if he knew, had been reassured that the handcuffs and so forth were just a formality and he’d be free to go very soon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881.md?page=20)