# Are you Team Trayvon or Team Zimmerman? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881 "2012-03-26T21:27:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/441 "2012-03-29T05:11:58Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Honestly blown away with the amount of covert racism that has lurked on the SDMB for all the years I’ve been here. > > What an eye-opener it has been to see it overtly shown both in this thread and the IMHO one. Specially considering some of the people involved. Damn! Do I ever need to make some revisions in my worthiness scale. > > And this a _progressive_ American board? Guess black people should be grateful they make it through the day alive in some of your (mostly) Southern States. > > Disgusting is hardly a descriptor of many of the things I’ve read here.. > > OTOH, hats off to **monstro** , **you with the face** , **Ibn Warraq** (never thought I’d agree with him on _anything_!), **Stoid** , **DianaG** , **Sampiro** , **Tao’s Revenge** , **madmonk** , **Vinyl** , **Jack Batty** & many others (including, of course, my main man, **'luc** , who just happens to be my smarter echo on most matters). And w/out a doubt, the biggest surprise ever, **Lonesome Polecat** – who remains an a-hole in my book…but has been amazingly lucid in this whole sordid affair. > > Still. Holy Fuck! Can we please have the dreaded “fuck you!” back in The Pit? This thread is practically _begging_ for it! I like your style dude. ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/442 "2012-03-29T05:46:02Z")
The report states Sanford Fire department treated Zimmerman at the scene. There should be a record, but HIPAA protects it until released by Zimmerman or it is properly subpoenaed. [http://www.seminolecountyfl.gov/dps/admin/medical.aspx](http://www.seminolecountyfl.gov/dps/admin/medical.aspx)[http://www.seminolecountyfl.gov/dps/ems/faq.aspx](http://www.seminolecountyfl.gov/dps/ems/faq.aspx) Google “police writing software/programs” to find out about how it works and how many there are available. It’s not clear which the Sanford PD uses. The change from Doe, if that is how it happened is likely entered later and relates back to every page where “Doe” was listed. An analogous situation would be if you lost your memory and went to the hospital, but midway through your treatment you remember your name. If you then order records on discharge your old records when you were a Doe will still have a stamp with your real name, d/o/b etc… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/443 "2012-03-29T06:14:58Z")
> [@Rand Rover](#): > > I was indicting you with the face’s method of determining the truth… This is a really good example of why the habit of bolding other users names is a good idea. I must have read this five or six times before I realized what the actual subject of this sentence was. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/444 "2012-03-29T07:22:44Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > If an EMT had treated his nose, wouldn’t they also have put some sort of splint on the nose? Not a doctor but not necessarily – till we know more a “broken nose” can be a fissure, which does not necessarily need a splint. But beyond **Lobohan’s** anecdote (and I’ll wait for a Doctor’s opinion,to clear any doubt) either will bleed a LOT. In my case the EMTs cleaned me up as much as possible and stuck cotton ‘tubes’ dipped in peroxide in each nostril on the way to to the ER. Once there the blood had ‘caked’ (coagulated) and the Doctor proceeded to scrape it so I could breathe through it – causing yet again _minor_ bleeding. Point being, there was a LOT of blood involved. Though at no point was I in danger of dying…that I know of. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/445 "2012-03-29T08:03:04Z")
I heard that in one of the 40-odd calls to 911, he reported a suspicious black male, “7-9” years old, and that he warned people in the neighborhood to call 911 if there were unknown black males walking around. I would be curious if some of the people denying the obvious (that the incident happened due to Trayvon’s race) now would admit it was the main reason for the tragedy if this gets more heavily verified later on. I really doubt Zimmerman stopped EVERY person he didn’t know in his neighborhood, so you would have to explain why Zimmerman stopped him specifically. He said “they” always get away, it was pretty loud and clear that that day “they” weren’t going to get away if Zimmerman had anything to do with it. Who was “they”? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/446 "2012-03-29T08:09:17Z")
Now I’m seeing Zimmerman’s father in a shaded interview where he basically repeats any news article, adding the phrase “at some point” about 20 times. "At some point, Trayvon said ‘Now you’re gonna die’, or, “you’re gonna die tonight.” What a crock of absolute shit. Arrest the guy and let a real investigation begin. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/447 "2012-03-29T08:11:11Z")
I think that for some of Zimmerman’s supporters, the very idea of a young black male walking in their neighborhood is inherently intimidating. If you read some of the comments in the threads on this board, people are asking things like “why was he walking so slow,” or “what was he doing outside in the rain?” From that level of fear, it’s not a huge jump to someone getting shot. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/448 "2012-03-29T08:21:34Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Not a doctor but not necessarily – till we know more a “broken nose” can be a fissure, which does not necessarily need a splint. But beyond **Lobohan’s** anecdote (and I’ll wait for a Doctor’s opinion,to clear any doubt) either will bleed a LOT. In my case the EMTs cleaned me up as much as possible and stuck cotton ‘tubes’ dipped in peroxide in each nostril on the way to to the ER. Once there the blood had ‘caked’ (coagulated) and the Doctor proceeded to scrape it so I could breathe through it – causing yet again _minor_ bleeding. > > Point being, there was a LOT of blood involved. Though at no point was I in danger of dying…that I know of. Thank you. Also, if you don’t mind my asking, wouldn’t you say he appears to be in a fairly jocular mood for someone who just had his nose broken a few hours earlier(though apparently didn’t feel the need to go to the hospital to have it treated). ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/449 "2012-03-29T08:42:33Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > No. The mainstream media generally has access to facebook. I’m not sure I understand you here – are you claiming that the early articles included the hoodie photo just as often as they included the “Hollister” photo? > [@](#): > > Are you trying to unseat Clothy and ralphrandomnumbers as the SDMB’s stupidest poster? Lol, a stunning rebuttal. > [@](#): > > Pretty fucking confident, even before the video that made a laughingstock of you and everyone who shares your worthless opinion. 😕 What exactly is my “worthless opinion” in your view? And please answer my question: How were you so confident that the initial investigation was “worthless”? And how were you so confident about what happened even before this video came out? Why is it that you “didn’t believe for a second” that Martin could possibly have sucker punched and beat up Zimmerman? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/450 "2012-03-29T08:45:15Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > “all the way”? He’s pretty mcuuh there already, only George Zimmerman is between him and the ground… Right, under the scenario I proposed he went from “almost there” to “all the way there.” ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/451 "2012-03-29T11:36:41Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > I heard that in one of the 40-odd calls to 911, he reported a suspicious black male, “7-9” years old, and that he warned people in the neighborhood to call 911 if there were unknown black males walking around. > > I would be curious if some of the people denying the obvious (that the incident happened due to Trayvon’s race) now would admit it was the main reason for the tragedy if this gets more heavily verified later on. I really doubt Zimmerman stopped EVERY person he didn’t know in his neighborhood, so you would have to explain why Zimmerman stopped him specifically. > > He said “they” always get away, it was pretty loud and clear that that day “they” weren’t going to get away if Zimmerman had anything to do with it. Who was “they”? Oh, I read that 9-11 report, about the 7 to 9 year old child. The notes were clear that Zimmerman didn’t say anything like “suspicious,” rather than he was concerned about an unsupervised child. Which, still weird. When I see an unsupervised child of 7 or 9, I assume they are playing. I mean, 7- and 9-year-olds outside without the grownups, that’s normal isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/452 "2012-03-29T12:17:38Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > And this a _progressive_ American board? Guess black people should be grateful they make it through the day alive in some of your (mostly) Southern States. > […] > Still. Holy Fuck! Can we please have the dreaded “fuck you!” back in The Pit? This thread is practically _begging_ for it! I’ll say. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/453 "2012-03-29T12:41:46Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I understand that. Therein lies your problem. > > What’s so hard about simply admitting ignorance, sitting back, and letting the system do its thing? If the system had done its thing properly inf the first place, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. The whole business has a Keystone Kopps feeling to it. And as You With the Face pointed out, that videotape of The Idiot shown on ABC (yeah, I saw it too) sure didn’t show a man who had just suffered serious injuries in a desperate fight for his life. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Annen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/73ab20/32.png) [@Larry\_Annen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Annen)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/454 "2012-03-29T12:49:59Z")
David Boroff, NY Daily News, March 27, 2012 While Trayvon Martin‘s mother accused authorities of smearing her son, her lawyer revealed she’s moved to trademark slogans that have been popularized amid the outcry over his killing. Sybrina Fulton, the slain teen’s mother, has sought to trademark two phrases: “Justice for Trayvon” and “I Am Trayvon,” attorney Kimra Major-Morris confirmed in an email Monday in which she said the move was not intended to reap a profit, the Associated Press reported. The two sayings have become like rallying cries since the 17-year-old was shot to death during a still-murky encounter with neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman on Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fla. {snip} The trademark applications said the catch phrases could be used on DVDs and CDs—but the mother’s lawyer indicated their use would be to support those who find themselves suffering for the same reasons as Fulton. In confirming the applications to the AP, trademark attorney Kimra Major-Morris wrote in an email that the grieving mother wants to safeguard intellectual property rights for “projects that will assist other families who experience similar tragedies.” When a reporter for the wire service asked if the mother had any designs to make a profit, Major-Morris responded, “None.” ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/455 "2012-03-29T12:57:49Z")
It’s a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/456 "2012-03-29T13:24:01Z")
So, if it turns out his Mom is a venal, grasping bitch, that means he is less dead? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/457 "2012-03-29T13:27:07Z")
No, no. Only that she \*wanted \*him dead so she could trademark his name. Try to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/458 "2012-03-29T13:28:57Z")
If someone is going to make money off of this, is there someone other than the parents that it should be? I don’t think so, but I bet the lawyer advised it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/459 "2012-03-29T14:03:22Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, if it turns out his Mom is a venal, grasping bitch, that means he is less dead? No, but it does, together with other things such as Messrs. Jackson and Sharpton grabbing the opportunity to do some more rabble rousing, help to turn the whole sorry affair into a circus. ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881/460 "2012-03-29T14:04:57Z")
Funny. **Larry Annen** thinks there’s an article about this case that hasn’t already been posted. I bet if you go to those places that sell “Gucci” bags and “Sean John” apparel and copies of movies that haven’t hit theaters yet, you can find someone already making money off the Trayvon case. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-team-trayvon-or-team-zimmerman/616881.md?page=24)